2021/22 Tom Davies

[Stephenlloyd]

He’s a target for impotent Everton dars who wish to get angry at young, happy, talented scouse Everton players who can still maintain an erection.

That’s his biggest talent then, because he’s crap at football. Anyone with an ounce of football intelligence can see that.

Had Everton been run properly over the last 6yrs. He would already be long gone.

 

[Street end man]

It's so difficult with the Davies question. Personally I don't think that he should have had as many games for Everton as he has to his name, that's if Everton seriously did want to try to break in to the top 6, he's just not good enough.

However at the time he was playing in most games you just have to look at what else we had to choose from and it made sense why he was getting these games.

He was in the mix with Sigs, the post injury Gomes, and the reportedly highest earner on the books Bernard.

Jeez I'd pick Tom over Bernard every day of the week to fill a berth in the side, no contest.

He's played so much because our big spending spree bought dross to the club. At least Davies showed a bit of spirit and could not be accused of slacking.

 

[Yarrgh]

He’s a target for impotent Everton dars who wish to get angry at young, happy, talented scouse Everton players who can still maintain an erection.

I saw his last performance described as flaccid.

Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[blueblue]

Tom will be like having a new signing next season

TD was available for most games up to Christmas but was largely ignored by RB.
In many games we were clearly being overrun in central midfield and yet the manager continued to ignore TD and insisted on putting a half fit Rondon into the team instead.
He paid the ultimate price for that folly and hopefully we are not going to pay a steep price as well.

Tom Davies should be fit for pre season and let the new manager judge him then.

 

[The Hibbert Agenda]

That’s his biggest talent then, because he’s crap at football. Anyone with an ounce of football intelligence can see that.

Had Everton been run properly over the last 6yrs. He would already be long gone.

If Everton had been run properly over the last 6 years he would have gotten some consistent proper training and coaching over the period. He's been failed by the club more than he's failed Everton.

 

[DanEFC92]

We need captain Tom now more than ever

 

[Stephenlloyd]

If Everton had been run properly over the last 6 years he would have gotten some consistent proper training and coaching over the period. He's been failed by the club more than he's failed Everton.

Ffs have a day off. Let’s blame everybody else’s for a 24 yr old, who’s had 5 yrs and 150 games. And not improved.

 

[chicoazul]

That’s his biggest talent then, because he’s crap at football. Anyone with an ounce of football intelligence can see that.

Had Everton been run properly over the last 6yrs. He would already be long gone.

No accountability from those I profiled perfectly Ste. Let’s see what the opposition players have to say about it?



You’re part of the problem, mate.

 

[chicoazul]

Evertonians, unless we call out these most foul slugs who use Goodison to show off how angry they can be, then Everton, our Everton, will be compromised by these beasts.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Vardy is a totally different scenario. He obviously fell through the net. Was probably doing a 9 to 5 job. Training at night and playing at weekends. He obviously had the hunger, desire and self belief to succeed.

Tom has had 6 yrs training every day at a premier league club, with probably amazing facilities and with some good coaches and top managers.

Tom has a year left on his deal this summer, so do we commit another 5yrs till he’s 29 and maybe 15mil in wages. In the hope he may come good or slightly improves so he becomes 4th choice and not 5th choice . He’s been given more chances as a homegrown youngster, than any other , in our history. Nearly 150yrs.

No - He was a full time professional at Fleetwood during his time there. Many non-league clubs are. And if the hunger, desire and self belief were ever present then he wouldn't have had to be talked around by the management at Leicester City to not pack it in and go and be a club-rep at 25/26 years of age. Ironically when he would have been afforded the best facilities and coaching setup of his career at that stage.

As for falling through the net he was on youth terms at Sheff Weds so obviously the net picked him up at some stage. He wasn't kept on and rebuilt his career but there were other failed trials at lower league clubs along the way. He wasn't some bloke who only started playing in his 20's.

Again, you're apparently dealing in make-believe scenarios.

And there are other options than committing to a 5 year deal. I'm not saying what should be done other than letting the current manager make a decision based on what he sees from a currently under contract player. If it's decided to bin him off then so be it. If he decides there's a player in there worth working on then so be it. He's very likely got a better eye for that kind of thing than me and certainly sees more of his players than any of us.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

No - He was a full time professional at Fleetwood during his time there. Many non-league clubs are. And if the hunger, desire and self belief were ever present then he wouldn't have had to be talked around by the management at Leicester City to not pack it in and go and be a club-rep at 25/26 years of age. Ironically when he would have been afforded the best facilities and coaching setup of his career at that stage.

As for falling through the net he was on youth terms at Sheff Weds so obviously the net picked him up at some stage. He wasn't kept on and rebuilt his career but there were other failed trials at lower league clubs along the way. He wasn't some bloke who only started playing in his 20's.

Again, you're apparently dealing in make-believe scenarios.

And there are other options than committing to a 5 year deal. I'm not saying what should be done other than letting the current manager make a decision based on what he sees from a currently under contract player. If it's decided to bin him off then so be it. If he decides there's a player in there worth working on then so be it. He's very likely got a better eye for that kind of thing than me and certainly sees more of his players than any of us.

My god you’re hard work

And I’m dealing in make believe scenarios.

He got released from Sheffield Wednesday at 16 and for the next 7 yrs was at Stockbridge park steels. Untill he was 23. I suppose this 8 tier club was also a professional outfit.

Then Halifax again in the non league. He joined fleetwood at 25. And then Leicester in the championship. How the hell is this same at Tom Davies spending the same years at a premier league club
Ffs

 

[Stephenlloyd]

No accountability from those I profiled perfectly Ste. Let’s see what the opposition players have to say about it?



You’re part of the problem, mate.

Journeyman player who I’d imagine most clubs he turned up at goodison with, we should have been beating. And that will cause a bit of impatience in the ground. Add to the fact we’ve been watching dross for years. And it all makes sense.

Did we turn that quick, under moyes’s teams. More fans would turn on the manager in my experience, for sometimes not making quicker substitutions. Or defensive ones, like the famous spurs game when he got booed at the end.

 

[ClausThomsen]

My god you’re hard work

And I’m dealing in make believe scenarios.

He got released from Sheffield Wednesday at 16 and for the next 7 yrs was at Stockbridge park steels. Untill he was 23. I suppose this 8 tier club was also a professional outfit.

Then Halifax again in the non league. He joined fleetwood at 25. And then Leicester in the championship. How the hell is this same at Tom Davies spending the same years at a premier league club
Ffs

Never claimed they were. Merely stated the fact that he did spend time as a full time professional footballer and wasn't doing a 9-5 job and training at night right up until he went to Leicester.

Vardy's approach to professionalism was also an issue until he was put right by people at Leicester. There are variables that can happen throughout a career and make huge changes to a player. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Davies could improve to quite a degree given the right environment and conditions for that improvement. Sometimes a small change or a bit of consistency can work wonders.

You asked for an example of a player who developed to a great degree in their mid to late twenties and I gave you one. A quick Google will reveal plenty more the world over all with varying career paths that don't begin in the 8th tier.

No talk of 5 year deals being the only option, associated wage costs, £10M transfer fees that mean we can buy a £30M player, Stockbridge Pk Steels being a professional side, the definitive history of every young Everton player over 150 years or great coaches and their 10% fixed improvement rate changes that.

My God you're hard work.

 

[Drico]

Tom is an integral part of our future. He is made for the Championship, which is just as well.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Never claimed they were. Merely stated the fact that he did spend time as a full time professional footballer and wasn't doing a 9-5 job and training at night right up until he went to Leicester.

Vardy's approach to professionalism was also an issue until he was put right by people at Leicester. There are variables that can happen throughout a career and make huge changes to a player. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Davies could improve to quite a degree given the right environment and conditions for that improvement. Sometimes a small change or a bit of consistency can work wonders.

You asked for an example of a player who developed to a great degree in their mid to late twenties and I gave you one. A quick Google will reveal plenty more the world over all with varying career paths that don't begin in the 8th tier.

No talk of 5 year deals being the only option, associated wage costs, £10M transfer fees that mean we can buy a £30M player, Stockbridge Pk Steels being a professional side, the definitive history of every young Everton player over 150 years or great coaches and their 10% fixed improvement rate changes that.

My God you're hard work.

No I said name me a player who’s had 6yrs around the first team of a premier league club or championship. And over 100 games, who had shown no really improvement. Who then kicked on to be a lot better 3/4yrs later.

You can’t compare Vardy 17 to 23 football education to Tom Davies’s it’s not even close.

If you knew how transfers work then you would know what I’m taking about. Davies 10mil is 10mil profit on the clubs books. We buy a 35mil. Midfielder on a 5yr deal. That 35mil is spread of the 5yr contract. 7mil a season. Add his wage say 60k a week. 10mil and that complies with the league profit and sustainability rules.

Yes we will need to find that 10mil the next year. Which again shouldn’t be a problem, players out contact, players sold etc.

So that’s how selling Tom for 10mil should easily improve our starting 11