vid doesn't show if his hand was stood on though.
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ElGato
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Inconsequential isn't it? He lashed out in anger, so is a red card
Dealing with the matter of a hand stamp or hand being stood on, if Collins has stood on his hand then one could argue that the contact formed part of the action of competing for the ball (as often happens). Therefore more likely to be considered accidental contact and hard to discern in those instances when a player is attempting to genuinely hurt or endanger their opponent (which, by the way, I'm sure many are) and when it's all part of the rough and tumble physicality of a challenge. Saw that happen with Calafiori in mid week against Ateltico when Simeone (I think it was) stood on his wrist after Calfiori went to ground. No foul given for that btw and no caution either
With Silva, however, the action has clearly ended, and he's decided to strike his opponent out of anger and in retaliation for a perceived injustice. So yeah, red card all day for me. Doesn't matter the force, the intent is to hurt the opponent with no mitigating factors other than the fact he's 5 foot 4, which changes nothing!
ElGato
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I'm quoting the laws of the game for violent conduct: https://www.thefa.com/football-rule.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
He's struck out with a clenched fist (doesn't matter whether he hits him with the fist or not), it's not part of the action of competing for the ball so cannot be considered accidental, and his intent is to hurt the opponent. Based on those factors it's a different category to the pressed heads and big shoves and (as per usual with Silva) he is very lucky to get away with it IMO
Red card for me, but not for you. And I'm fine with that, don't think we agree on anything do we
If he's been stood/stamped on, it's natural to drag your hand away due to the pain caused.
I'll meet you in the middle, a red card each.
And now no game will ever finish because ever head shove, every shirt pull, every little finger that catches someones hair bobble, every rise of the shirt over the mouth to prevent lip reading, every gesticulation towards ref or linesperson, every untoward* goal celebration the authorities will come down on like a ton of bricks.
The entire system is broken, I wonder if var was invented to take the heat off refs because of fears for their safety.
I'm all for straighteners on the field. If a ref gets a good shoeing along the way all the better. Decisions are being made which have £100m outcomes, livelihoods are in jeopardy. First up, clattenburg, then poll, then collina. Wont be very funny from a&e will it lads...
ElGato
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But it isn't a flinch, is it? He hasn't accidentally come into contact with him in the process of pulling his hand away: he's struck out at him with the intent to cause harm. Or are we not watching the same clip?
And it's not a zero sum game either. This action can be a red card, but the game can also be being over-refereed and over-scrutinised without this incident being an example of that. I think a lot of fans don't have a clue what constitutes what anymore and the rules are clearly leveraged differently week to week and match to match. That Moyes has been booked for celebrating on the pitch (which is a stupid rule anyway) and yet I see every other manager do the same is testimony to that. However find me another incident this season of a player lashing out like that and not getting sent off after VAR (aside from the Joao Pedro one, which from memory everyone agreed should have been a red)...
players are human, if one hits one, the right to hit back is there.
I've been in support of rugby refs, but yesterdays semi final was reffed and vid reffed so very very poorly.
More money = more pressure. West ham today are playing the sympathy card, but were strangely silent re the clear and obvious hand ball they got off with vs us.
It's easy isolating instances that work against you and ignoring where luck* has gone your way. It is called 'kopitis'. That the majority of them cant spell 'hypocrisy' is by-the-by.
vs city, the rugby challenge on rohl, for me it's a shame he didn't throw his elbow, if he knocks the city player out it brings the entire event into focus.
if the authorities are prepared for impose a two tier system then the obvious outcome is players and clubs taking matters into their own fists.
sooner the better!
I've been in support of rugby refs, but yesterdays semi final was reffed and vid reffed so very very poorly.
More money = more pressure. West ham today are playing the sympathy card, but were strangely silent re the clear and obvious hand ball they got off with vs us.
It's easy isolating instances that work against you and ignoring where luck* has gone your way. It is called 'kopitis'. That the majority of them cant spell 'hypocrisy' is by-the-by.
vs city, the rugby challenge on rohl, for me it's a shame he didn't throw his elbow, if he knocks the city player out it brings the entire event into focus.
if the authorities are prepared for impose a two tier system then the obvious outcome is players and clubs taking matters into their own fists.
sooner the better!
ElGato
Player Valuation: £25m
Which one, the head push/headbutt?
Let's not pretend they are comparable. This one is a strike with the arm and with more force, but it isn't to the head. So different thresholds/different mitigating circumstances for the Gabriel/Haaland incident. Also both incidents are technically covered by different parts of the laws as well, so they can't really be compared as it is. That incident, by the way, you thought was a red card or not?
His hand doesn't even hit him, who cares if it's clenched or not??? Completely irrelevant.
Only people who would watch that and think red card are Americans.
ElGato
Player Valuation: £25m
Actually very relevant, according to the laws of the game, which for violent conduct state that it is determined by the intent, "regardless of whether contact is made".
And how dare you, take that back
Sadly, I'm with haaland, he hits the deck clutching his head and gabriel is red carded for violent conduct and arsenal are missing their reliable cb for the run in.
this perception of 'lashing out' having different thresholds is part of the problem, head contact is a red card but a judo throw at a corner is ok even if you are landed on your head/neck.
the authorities have got the game backwards, how did e anderson not get a retrospective ban for that ankle snapper last week? if that's us and its garner out for 12 months I've no qualms with JOB liquefying him and using him as mulch for the pitch.
do violence, get violence.
older than time.
So if he did the exact same action, but his hand was doing a peace sign, would you think it wasn't a red card?
ElGato
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Wait, so you do think Silva should have been sent off?
ElGato
Player Valuation: £25m
Lol what sort of question is this
The levels of false equivalence are off the scale here, proper made me giggle