Today’s Football - 2024/25 Season

[Mozza1987]

If that's a red then they may as well just sack the game off. Utterly pathetic nowadays

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

I would have no issue with fouls like that being red cards. Because the player made no effort to play the ball and wasnt even near the ball. But that's clearly not how the rules are currently interpreted

There are far worse fouls called as yellow cards every week. The second yellow for the wolves player was a far worse challenge even within the same match

The difference is they were genuine attempts to play the ball.

 

[ToffeeTim]

The difference is they were genuine attempts to play the ball.

There are many tackles every week that are cynical and can't win the ball

 

[Runub]

Just seen the Arsenal red card. What was the referee, VAR or anyone else thinking. I would be amazed if it is not rescinded

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

If that's a red then they may as well just sack the game off. Utterly pathetic nowadays

Why? It's pathetic that's deliberately kicking someone miles away from the ball is now an accepted tactic and it plays into the hands of Liverpool, City and Arsenal.

 

[Mozza1987]

Why? It's pathetic that's deliberately kicking someone miles away from the ball is now an accepted tactic and it plays into the hands of Liverpool, City and Arsenal.

Because it happens all the time in games. There are worst fouls on the pitch that only get a yellow. If you think that's a red then let's just have no contact at all then.

 

[JLW]

Just seen the Arsenal red card. What was the referee, VAR or anyone else thinking. I would be amazed if it is not rescinded

Haven't see it just read comments about it, maybe they get it rescinded but for me its too late.

Arsenal won the game but they may not have because of that decision and these kin clueless clowns are not accountable for anything.
Players and managers have to come out and explain to the media why they failed at their job week in week out.

I have zero respect for referees and they deserve all the crap that's thrown at them during and after games.

 

[ElGato]

It wasn't a mistake. You are treating it as if it was just a mistimed tackle which it wasn't. It was a deliberate kick/stamp on a players miles away from the ball. It should be a red card and I wish more refs would give them.

Part of me agrees with you here. I'd you are making no attempt to get the ball and are aiming to hit the opponent then you are naturally increasing the chance of serious injury. I'd like to see more cynical fouls punished with red cards or alternative forms of punishment....

It's like the furore over the Son-Gomes red card. All the BS about "he didn't mean it" and "he's not like that" - ultimately he made no attempt to play the ball and wanted to make contact with Gomes and bring him down.

However I do think there is a distinction to be made between a shirt pull, a trip, and a more forceful 'tackle'. Maybe this is where an orange card or sin bin would become appropriate

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It wasn't a mistake. You are treating it as if it was just a mistimed tackle which it wasn't. It was a deliberate kick/stamp on a players miles away from the ball. It should be a red card and I wish more refs would give them.

I agree with this.

No genuine attempt to win the ball. Only intent is to kick the player/bring him down.

The game should red card those type of fouls.

Arsenal are one of the worse for intentional "foul the player on the break" - this one was just too obvious.



The top teams use it against teams that look to counter attack.

Got away with it for too long.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Part of me agrees with you here. I'd you are making no attempt to get the ball and are aiming to hit the opponent then you are naturally increasing the chance of serious injury. I'd like to see more cynical fouls punished with red cards or alternative forms of punishment....

It's like the furore over the Son-Gomes red card. All the BS about "he didn't mean it" and "he's not like that" - ultimately he made no attempt to play the ball and wanted to make contact with Gomes and bring him down.

However I do think there is a distinction to be made between a shirt pull, a trip, and a more forceful 'tackle'. Maybe this is where an orange card or sin bin would become appropriate

I was going to mention the Son challenge too. He repeatedly hacked at him in anger to bring him down with no genuine effort to win the ball.

 

[lieneverton]

Think the "outcry" over it is mental. Can see why it's seen as harsh, but there's clear grounds for a red.

It's not helped by the moronic way it was initially reported as though it was given for denying a goalscoring opportunity.

Oliver made a bigger mistake in the game in not giving Gomes a straight red for his 2nd yellow, that was a terrible challenge.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

It should be a red in my opinion. The way he brought him down was extremely dangerous and could easily have damaged the lads ankle or achilles. Deliberately fouling players miles away from the ball for tactical reasons has no place in the game and I find it completely baffling that every fan just accepts it. It's the same as the "he's entitled to go down nonsense". Football fans just parrot what the moronic ex-player pundits say sheep like and never think for themselves. Honest attempts to win the ball are overly penalised at the moment compared to cynical deliberate fouling and the balance should be re-addressed.

To me it depends on how dangerous it is. Allan fouling Newcastle player wasn't dangerous play, yesterday was dangerous player on Wolves players ankle. As people have said far too many times RS in particular get away with about 10 of these fouls a game.

 

[PhilM]

I agree with this.

No genuine attempt to win the ball. Only intent is to kick the player/bring him down.

The game should red card those type of fouls.

Arsenal are one of the worse for intentional "foul the player on the break" - this one was just too obvious.



The top teams use it against teams that look to counter attack.

Got away with it for too long.

People call them 'professional fouls', which clearly implies that there is no intent to win the ball: it's to stop the team having the advantage.

If people are saying he didn't deserve the punishment he received, they need to give their heads a wobble.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Because it happens all the time in games. There are worst fouls on the pitch that only get a yellow. If you think that's a red then let's just have no contact at all then.

It's not about the severity of the foul. It's about the fact that there was no intent to play the ball. There's a massive difference between a mistimed or I'll judged tackle which is a genuine attempt to win the ball and deliberately kicking someone miles away from the ball to stop a counter attack. If that distinction isn't obvious to you I can't really help you.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Part of me agrees with you here. I'd you are making no attempt to get the ball and are aiming to hit the opponent then you are naturally increasing the chance of serious injury. I'd like to see more cynical fouls punished with red cards or alternative forms of punishment....

It's like the furore over the Son-Gomes red card. All the BS about "he didn't mean it" and "he's not like that" - ultimately he made no attempt to play the ball and wanted to make contact with Gomes and bring him down.

However I do think there is a distinction to be made between a shirt pull, a trip, and a more forceful 'tackle'. Maybe this is where an orange card or sin bin would become appropriate

I'm this case the aggravating factor was that he was absolutely miles away from the ball. The guy had already beaten him and he just decided to kick him and although it wasn't over the top he could easily have injured the wolves player.