Times article, Burnley/Leeds threaten to sue Everton

[MikeH72]

I don’t think it will happen at all, but it’s not invented by the fans. It’s being reported by the media at large.

The points deduction to send us down this season thing has been totally 100% invented by our fans.

 

[Marius57]

So this is the contract isn't it;

https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2020/09/11/dc7e76c1-f78d-45a2-be4a-4c6bc33368fa/2020-21-PL-Handbook-110920.pdf

Difficult to see how Burnley and Leeds could compel the Premier League to deduct points imo

The only clear route to a point deduction is if

1. The Prem refers a breach of its rules to a Commission as per section W

E.53, if the PSR Calculation results in losses of in excess of £105m: E.51.1. the Board may exercise its powers set out in Rule E.15; and E.51.2. the Club shall be treated as being in breach of these Rules and accordingly the Board shall refer the breach to a Commission constituted pursuant to Section W of these Rules.

2. The Commission can then deduct points as per section W

[ Commission has the power to]. deduct points scored or to be scored in League Matches or such other matches as are referred to in Rule W.49.4.1;

3. If a club wanted to force the Prem's hand it would have to take the Premier League itself to Arbitration as per Section X. But then it isn't clear the remedies involve point deductions.

The tribunal shall have power to:
X.26.1. determine any question of law or fact arising in the course of the arbitration;
X.26.2. determine any question as to its own jurisdiction;
X.26.3. make a declaration as to any matter to be determined in the proceedings;
X.26.4. order the payment of a sum of money;
X.26.5. award simple or compound interest;
X.26.6. order a party to do or refrain from doing anything;
X.26.7. order specific performance of a contract (other than a contract relating to land); and
X.26.8. order the rectification, setting aside or cancellation of a deed or other document

Prem can't refer the breach now though as they have already decided it isn't a breach. So if they did that, they are admitting they are either corrupt, or incompetent. Sounding a bit like the PGMOL really.

The outcome of this, will likely be an independent regulator gets brought in (already being talked about isn't
?) by the government. By which time, we will be in a new 3 year cycle and have sold a couple of players and be clear of spending issues.

 

[catcherintherye]

Any points deduction for cooking the books would only become applicable from next season anyway, in the unlikely event that it happens. I don’t know why our fans have invented this mad scenario.

It was always the case. It will be forward looking. Any guilt would be established after the season now.

I mean, it's very rare for points deductions to be given.

Other teams have failed FFP rules, and none have had points deductions.

We have not failed a points deduction.

 

[4737carlin]

Problem is the powers that be, FA For example won't want this as it could open up so many cans of worms if Everton then played a what about them type card.
A president has been set, whatever we have done clubs have done for years, with no come back.
Whoever gets relegated deserves to go for being worse then we were at football

 

[Amw79]

The points deduction to send us down this season thing has been totally 100% invented by our fans.

That would definitely not happen. My point was more about the Sky club press desperate to take the shine off a fantastic night.

 

[Marius57]

Problem is the powers that be, FA For example won't want this as it could open up so many cans of worms if Everton then played a what about them type card.
A president has been set, whatever we have done clubs have done for years, with no come back.
Whoever gets relegated deserves to go for being worse then we were at football

Which is impressive to manage

 

[everton fan number one]

Prem can't refer the breach now though as they have already decided it isn't a breach. So if they did that, they are admitting they are either corrupt, or incompetent. Sounding a bit like the PGMOL really.

The outcome of this, will likely be an independent regulator gets brought in by the government. By which time, we will be in a new 3 year cycle and have sold a couple of players and be clear of spending issues.

That'll make a change from the 8 years of madness then

 

[MikeH72]

That would definitely not happen. My point was more about the Sky club press desperate to take the shine off a fantastic night.

Oh yeah they would be, they’ve been running a campaign alongside the refs all season to send us down. A bit embarrassing for them that they couldn’t even fix it successfully.

 

[peteblue]

The points deduction to send us down this season thing has been totally 100% invented by our fans.

Not so, I spoke with a CP fan today and apologised for beating them 3-2…his immediate reply was wait till the points deductions come in. I just can’t understand grown men being such bitter and twisted individuals and lacking in any humour…obviously I expect it off the RS but surely not from no marks supporting a yo yo team like Palace…..

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Dramatic game to stay in the league by the skin of our teeth only to get relegated in the summer due to financial irregularities….

…. Everton that!

 

[MikeH72]

Not so, I spoke with a CP fan today and apologised for beating them 3-2…his immediate replay was wait till the points deductions come in. I just can’t understand grown men being such bitter and twisted individuals and lacking in any humour…obviously I expect it off the RS but surely not from no marks supporting a yo yo team like Palace…..

That’s a very thick person you were communicating with.

 

[peteblue]

Any points deduction for cooking the books would only become applicable from next season anyway, in the unlikely event that it happens. I don’t know why our fans have invented this mad scenario.

Was it @matty1878 ……

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I still dont understand why fans of other clubs bother to comment/get worked up on other clubs news.

Barely use twitter anymore as its full of virgins but could never be arsed commenting on say Aston Villa news reports sad act stuff.

 

[peteblue]

Leeds and Burnley are supposedly asking the PL to set up an independent panel to make a judgement within 6 weeks.

It‘ll be a bit late for one of these tossers…..

 

[catcherintherye]

Prem can't refer the breach now though as they have already decided it isn't a breach. So if they did that, they are admitting they are either corrupt, or incompetent. Sounding a bit like the PGMOL really.

The outcome of this, will likely be an independent regulator gets brought in (already being talked about isn't
?) by the government. By which time, we will be in a new 3 year cycle and have sold a couple of players and be clear of spending issues.

If in the unlikely event the PL admitted they were wrong, it would be awful for them. It could see the resolution of the PL. It would be a huge scandal. There is no incentive for them to do that.

Even if they did though, it would not affect EFC. You would then be failing a PL club, by the rules of an institution that would admitted to being corrupt. We would just be another victim.

The likely outcome is, that these rules get phased out soon, for a different standard of rules anyway.