Time to Protest.......???????

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Jesus wept. All the 'Bill is with us forever' bullshit.

Him and his cronies are powerless - they're a crustacean hanging on below the water line. They rely on other organisations to hide behind, like Tesco and Knowsley Council. Johnson was here forever until he was forced out. This is not the fall of the Iron Curtain we're talking about here. They're just spivs who cower away from conflict when push comes to shove.
 

Jesus wept. All the 'Bill is with us forever' bullshit.

Him and his cronies are powerless - they're a crustacean hanging on below the water line. They rely on other organisations to hide behind, like Tesco and Knowsley Council. Johnson was here forever until he was forced out. This is not the fall of the Iron Curtain we're talking about here. They're just spivs who cower away from conflict when push comes to shove.

Dave, I don't believe Bill will be here forever. When the global financial situation improves and stays there for a period of time, I do believe we'll get bought out. I know you don't, fair enough, but someone will buy Everton within 5 years. Hopefully sooner, but the big thing is the stadium. There has to be a way to get permission to build one in the city, and then finance it. Once those conditions exist, I think the ROI of our club goes up dramatically and the current board can fetch a price that will make them walk.

My thoughts anyway.
 
All very well Dave but where is the shove going to come from that will shift them? or rather that they will take notice of.

The other side of the coin could be that they are indeed powerless because the bank is calling the tune regarding some of our debt.
 
peaceful protest's don't and never will work,one of the reasons keioc turned from a protest group into a lobbying group in the early days helped them get noticed and more respect for there effort's

only direct action works,and we have the perfect opportunity in a couple of months during the early bird season ticket sale,if you dont support the board dont renew your st,simples
 
1) As good as Pienaar was i would hardly describe him as our best player - but then i wasnt a huge fan of his, i think you would struggle to find a team in the PL who wouldnt have sold him given the contraxt situation, lets be honest if he had stayed untill the summer and left for nothing i think its fair to say you would be critical of the club for that as well, his wage demands were astrinomical as LCAB reported so he had no intention of staying and commiting to the club, the occasional bad snide at every club. As for being 13th in the league, the club and the manager are prob guilty of putting to much faith in existing players - giving them new contracts in the hope they are european contenders, proven not to be the case thus far - but not impossible this season either - a sitiuation im suure the club took to back the manager to keep his best players - you could say the decison of wheather that was the right thing to do or not rests with the manager. Tell me if we we're 33rd with the ssame team would you still want to proteset against the board?

I said 'better' players, not best. As for the 13th position - what has that go to do with the choice the board gave the manager to either sign a player or nail down certain existing players to a contract extension? Baffled by that answer tbh. The only causation I see is that the manager's had his hands tied in the summer and this is the price you pay for it: a rubbish season.

2) I think everyone knows the context of why AGM have changed, well in the bad ted birgade as you tearing down years of tradition, and lets be honest protests (proob wanted by the same bad teds) arent likely to inspire the club to reingage with fans. Wasnt it Paul Gregg who sold his own shareholding to Earl, the board just ratified it - im sure aware of the rules in terms of circumstances the board can veto a sale.

So it's the ordinary shareholders exercising their traditional right to hold an AGM or the odd EGM that's to blame for the outrageous denial of the right to hold their board of directors accountable? Are you actually standing behind that action? It's a disgrace - and you're siding with it? Unbelievable.

3) Im going to be honest your not great when it comes to judgeing investment, ive heard you big up ShShinawtra, Learner Portsmouth, Brum, West Ham over the years - your just mad for artifical wealth, which prob isnt healthy for the club in the long term anyway - especialy if its used to create a player purchase bubble> Learner has destroyed Villa finaces they are gone from no debt to 100mill in debt and the wholes getting deeper, thats more then their turnover can sustain, you heard it here first. Venky dont have a clue about football, they sacked their manager and use twitter and facebook to say their signing Ronaldhinho, imagine the debt that will fall back n the club in terms of wages etc, blackburn have a very small turnover, lets see how their books are in the next year - but ill be honest i would be massively suspicious and their actions wouldnt create a great deal of faith in me. I dont know what you think happened at Liverpool, but i know hicks and Gillet didnt reach into their pockets and hand transfer fees to the club, it was all bprrowed and piled on the club - this is what i mean aboput you not being a great judge of investment.

I dont think you undertand what's being advanced here by me. Just to clarify: I'm asking you to explain to me why takeovers are worse than the status quo we have now - that is, the position where, when we take into account the long and short term debt, our debt has been almost quadrupled since BK took control; where we have poor infrastructure, no plan for the future re a stadium facility and are selling senior players without much hope of a loan let alone permanent signing through the door.

Admittedly, I'm a bit thick at times, so do me a favour and go through it again how that situation is worse than taking a chance on having new owners. Thanks.

4) So just to clarify your sayng we are 75 mill in debt is that right? As for the fixed assets, i agree with you would be great to own finch farm, i would love to see us purchase it in the futuren - far from impossible. As for Bellefeild and Neatherton well football moved on didnt it, they werent the modern training facilites the club required, we managed to raise equity from their sales at the same time moved to modern facilites, ive no doubht Finch will in the no so distant future fall under the ownership of the club, on the opposite side we have a lease that fair outways mine and your lifetime. Incidently what do you think of Man City selling Maine Road and renting their stadium? They spend squillions on transfers - dont they!

Ha Ha Ha. Oh dear. Read that part back to yourself. LMAO.

I like to think you ran out of steam here mate, then really being this naieve in wanting a Hicks and Giillet/Learner model compared to what we have, you could at least answer the questions i asked after i kindly answered yours? Its only good manners as a debate should be two sided and be rebuttled, youve dodged my last two posts and the questions ive posed?

Tell you what just clarify our current 75mill debt figure that you cite we are in if you would be so kind?
 
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We could all boycott the theatre when a Kenwright play is on, but realistically that'll probably just cost him about 20 quid a year because they're ****e and you'd have to be weird, or just insane to be going in the first place.
 
I like to think you ran out of steam here mate, then really being this naieve in wanting a Hicks and Giillet/Learner model compared to what we have, you could at least answer the questions i asked after i kindly answered yours? Its only good manners as a debate should be two sided and be rebuttled, youve dodged my last two posts and the questions ive posed?

Tell you what just clarify our current 75mill debt figure that you cite we are in if you would be so kind?

Au contraire young feller. I answered that question in passing on the thread: I stated that the takeovers had partly to be seen as opportunities not taken by managerial duffers like O'Neill and Benitez. But the real non-answering of questions rests with you - the task set here is for you to prove that sticking with the dead hand of the current Everton absentee landlord regime is more stable than Everton being taken over. That's what everyone can see you've been dodging here.

It was a nice attempt to deflect mate, but you wont get away with that on this forum. So, try again - I'll even get you started:

"Sticking with the current Everton board is preferable to a takeover because...."
 
"Sticking with the current Everton board is preferable to a takeover because...."

I think you're completely missing the point. There is NO takeover. There aren't any options. I know you believe there are many proper suitors lined up to buy our club but there just isn't.
 
Au contraire young feller. I answered that question in passing on the thread: I stated that the takeovers had partly to be seen as opportunities not taken by managerial duffers like O'Neill and Benitez. But the real non-answering of questions rests with you - the task set here is for you to prove that sticking with the dead hand of the current Everton absentee landlord regime is more stable than Everton being taken over. That's what everyone can see you've been dodging here.

It was a nice attempt to deflect mate, but you wont get away with that on this forum. So, try again - I'll even get you started:

"Sticking with the current Everton board is preferable to a takeover because...."

Ha ha you did it again, your a legend mate - the words your looking for are "i lied about the club being 75mill in debt" - thus being compleately discredited in the debate.
 
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Ha ha you did it again, your a legend mate - the words your looking for are "i lied about the club being 75mill in debt" - thus being compleately discredited in the debate.

The Club officially says we are £40m in debt, we also remortagaged £25m in debt, to be paid for by Season Tickets from now untill the end of time.

That makes £65m.

Considering so far we have done nothing but shave the wage bill, everything is clearly going great isnt it.

But I dont expect you to grasp things.
 

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