Time to Protest.......???????

[daz4matty]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...once-more-against-west-ham-100252-28042103/2/

"The Kenwright critics will instantly point the finger at the boardroom, which is far too simplistic.
It’s no secret that Everton is up for sale. Yet not one single party has lodged one firm bid, or even openly expressed interest in buying the Blues, since Paul Gregg tried to spark civil war in 2004.
And until new investment materialises (and would Evertonians really relish interest from a group like, say, Venky’s – who post statements on their Facebook page that they plan to sign Ronaldinho for Blackburn Rovers, then take the comments down?) David Moyes will have to continue to juggle the modest resources at his disposal."


Pretty much sums up the local media and their reaction to any questioning of our board of directors.

Local media are scared of blue bill you know how he rolls write nice things about me and you get free cinema tickets.It will only change if/when we get relegated and that COULD happen

 

[davek]

Local media are scared of blue bill you know how he rolls write nice things about me and you get free cinema tickets.It will only change if/when we get relegated and that COULD happen

I've seen it before mate. They gave Johnson a fee ride all the way to the edge of the abyss. They only turned on him when he defo signalled he wanted out.

 

[chris_b]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/ever...once-more-against-west-ham-100252-28042103/2/

"The Kenwright critics will instantly point the finger at the boardroom, which is far too simplistic.
It’s no secret that Everton is up for sale. Yet not one single party has lodged one firm bid, or even openly expressed interest in buying the Blues, since Paul Gregg tried to spark civil war in 2004.
And until new investment materialises (and would Evertonians really relish interest from a group like, say, Venky’s – who post statements on their Facebook page that they plan to sign Ronaldinho for Blackburn Rovers, then take the comments down?) David Moyes will have to continue to juggle the modest resources at his disposal."


Pretty much sums up the local media and their reaction to any questioning of our board of directors.

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so which bit is incorrect then - are you aware of lots of people who have tried to buy Everton and have been turned dwon cos I'm not and there have been no media rumours etc concerning any.

would you like an owner that claimed they were going to sign Ronaldinho - just because he was a big name not because he fitted in with what the manager wanted (see Robinho for example of how succesful this is!).

Questioning is fine - but to criticise every statement just because of a dislike of the board seems rather petulant.
People complain about the current owners but the fact is THEY HAVE NO MONEY - so thery cant give Davey any to spend.

 

[davek]

so which bit is incorrect then - are you aware of lots of people who have tried to buy Everton and have been turned dwon cos I'm not and there have been no media rumours etc concerning any.

would you like an owner that claimed they were going to sign Ronaldinho - just because he was a big name not because he fitted in with what the manager wanted (see Robinho for example of how succesful this is!).

Questioning is fine - but to criticise every statement just because of a dislike of the board seems rather petulant.
People complain about the current owners but the fact is THEY HAVE NO MONEY - so thery cant give Davey any to spend.

The reporter actually states there was a takeover bid against Kenwright when Gregg piped up his opposition - but, of course, that's caricatured by him as merely Gregg 'sparking civil war' and then dismissed. So we have evidence that there has been attempts to unseat BK and it was fought off by BK. So much for the line that there's been no interest.

Oh, by the way, 'THEY HAVE NO MONEY': well, I'd love to have the lack of money that Mr Earl has - being down to your last £200 million must be a real bind. We have wealthy individulas on the board - they wont spend their money on Everton; neither will they agree to let others put money into the club with a share issue.

Again I say it, you're defending the indefensible.

 

[edge]

so which bit is incorrect then - are you aware of lots of people who have tried to buy Everton and have been turned dwon cos I'm not and there have been no media rumours etc concerning any.

would you like an owner that claimed they were going to sign Ronaldinho - just because he was a big name not because he fitted in with what the manager wanted (see Robinho for example of how succesful this is!).

Questioning is fine - but to criticise every statement just because of a dislike of the board seems rather petulant.
People complain about the current owners but the fact is THEY HAVE NO MONEY - so thery cant give Davey any to spend.

thet do have money and choose not to spend it on everton, thats ok it there wedge. but if they dont want to lets somebody else do it who does, its streching it way to far for anybody to think noboby has ever come into look at buying everton over the years while everybody else has been took over, maybe the question we should be asking is why, price bill wanting to stay ect, why are we left on the shelf, this board is and its members have a lot to answer for but lets start with that one then maybe ask why if they cant sell there not looking to get someone in with a few bob to invest getting added to the board , if bill and co are that big a blues as they make out, let them dilute there interests for the sake of the club, if it goes ok they get there money back so there on a winner

 

[chris_b]

thet do have money and choose not to spend it on everton, thats ok it there wedge. but if they dont want to lets somebody else do it who does, its streching it way to far for anybody to think noboby has ever come into look at buying everton over the years while everybody else has been took over, maybe the question we should be asking is why, price bill wanting to stay ect, why are we left on the shelf, this board is and its members have a lot to answer for but lets start with that one then maybe ask why if they cant sell there not looking to get someone in with a few bob to invest getting added to the board , if bill and co are that big a blues as they make out, let them dilute there interests for the sake of the club, if it goes ok they get there money back so there on a winner

Everybody else has been taken over? - are you sure about that - half of them have been partiuclarly unsuccesful. Maybe they haven't bought Everton because the EVerton owners are slightly more selective over who they sell to than any mysterious Sheikh who claims to have a few quid stashed under a sofa - would you have wanted any of Portsmouths owners.

Again - I go back to the example of Newcastle United - Big stadium - big fan base - Ashley wanted to sell so was asking for a very low price - end result NO BUYER & Ashely is still in charge.

Compar eto EFC, No stadium, shared city fan base, No particular desperate need to sell - why should we attract more buyers than Newcastle?

 

[edge]

Everybody else has been taken over? - are you sure about that - half of them have been partiuclarly unsuccesful. Maybe they haven't bought Everton because the EVerton owners are slightly more selective over who they sell to than any mysterious Sheikh who claims to have a few quid stashed under a sofa - would you have wanted any of Portsmouths owners.

Again - I go back to the example of Newcastle United - Big stadium - big fan base - Ashley wanted to sell so was asking for a very low price - end result NO BUYER & Ashely is still in charge.

Compar eto EFC, No stadium, shared city fan base, No particular desperate need to sell - why should we attract more buyers than Newcastle?

are board are really succesful arnt they record debts two failed ground moves, let the ground rot everything not nailed down sold or pawned, we have just been played off the park by the bottom club and have lost two international players to loans, yobo and yak and got nobody in, what have they done thats so good.as for newcastle, how many times have they been sold since since bill has been here 2 or 3, then ask yourself why the likes of qpr, blackburn have gone before us, again why not us, do you know the answer i dont .As for everybody else getting bought lets see who hasnt ,i bet you there isnt even enough clubs in the top two divs to get into double figures with the same owners in the time this lot have been in charge

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

so which bit is incorrect then - are you aware of lots of people who have tried to buy Everton and have been turned dwon cos I'm not and there have been no media rumours etc concerning any.

would you like an owner that claimed they were going to sign Ronaldinho - just because he was a big name not because he fitted in with what the manager wanted (see Robinho for example of how succesful this is!).

Questioning is fine - but to criticise every statement just because of a dislike of the board seems rather petulant.
People complain about the current owners but the fact is THEY HAVE NO MONEY - so thery cant give Davey any to spend.

WTF!!!

I give you Jon Woods - who has a personal fortune estimated between £250 - £350 million
I give you Robert Earl - who has a personal fortune in excess of £400 million
I give you the bad belter Sir Philip Green who is a multi Gazillionaire (or is that his wife?)

Also lurking in the shadows is Lord Grantchester - (seriously loaded)

Belters - the lot of em

 

[Phenom]

WTF!!!

I give you Jon Woods - who has a personal fortune estimated between £250 - £350 million
I give you Robert Earl - who has a personal fortune in excess of £400 million
I give you the bad belter Sir Philip Green who is a multi Gazillionaire (or is that his wife?)

Also lurking in the shadows is Lord Grantchester - (seriously loaded)

Belters - the lot of em

I do find this seriously frustrating, they're on our board but they dont back our manager.

If they dont believe in what they have then they should sell up simples.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

I do find this seriously frustrating, they're on our board but they dont back our manager.

If they dont believe in what they have then they should sell up simples.

I concur - they obviously don't believe in Everton as a business concept, their whole strategy fell apart when Kirkby didn't come-off. It is my belief that if DK had come to fruition, then a buyer would have strangely appeared out of nowhere, probably a chinese chicken farmer or a russian scrap-metal magnet called Yuri, who would both claim to have intimate friendships with fading brazilian superstars!

Point is the belters in charge would have marched off into the sunset with a tidy profit from a virtually risk-free, effort-free investment on their part! - leaving us high and dry in Kirkby (sorry Chico) with no future except in ready-made processed chicken meals!

When it didn't happen they were totally stumped - they simply have no idea of how to sell us, without investing their own money to bring the ground/infrastructure/playing staff up to speed. They simply won't do it.... and so are be-calmed in a windless ocean of nothingness!

Crap eh! - Quick grab your pitchforks and follow me! - To the castle

 

[Neiler]

• You expect 'the steady progress' that we've seen thus far? Ten years after BK took over we're selling our better players and we lie 13th in the league. Behave yourself.

• 'Custodians of the club and a safe pair of hands'? The same board of directors that abandoned a century-long tradition of accountability to shareholders, and the same board that allowed an offshore group owned by God knows who to determine the control of the club? Are you sure you're using the right 'c' word to describe those actions?

• So, sticking with Kenwright and co. will avoid 'putting the club in jeopardy like Hicks, Venky and Lerner did'? Aren't you a little previous on Venky? I'd give them a chance before you start comparing Kenwright with them (Psst - they're signing players and are above us in the league - maybe getting shut of Allardyce wasn't a bad thing?); as for Lerner: yes, you're right, he's obvioulsy plundered that club. Lol! He may well do in the end, but the evidence so far doesn't back you up does it?; Hicks? Took a gamble in giving a warchest to an incompetent manager...would that we were ever in a position to do that! And remind me how that episode turned out? Oh yeah, Liverpool walked away with zero debt and a fresh start.

• "...and when the time comes leave us in a healtheir postion then they found us." What, like now? We're in debt to the tune of almost £40M short term debt and have the securitization interest repayments of another £35M to be spread over 25 years (comes under 'annual servicing of securitization). What was the debt when Kenwright and Tru Blue took over from Johnson? £20M. And on Kenwright's watch we've sold the training facilities at bellefield and Netherton and now lease out Finch Farm. We have no assets whatsoever...they've all been sold. If you consider all that as leaving the club in a healthier position you need your head feeling.

You're trying to plait sawdust here trying to defend the indefensible. It's little wonder you cant make a single point stick, nor that you cant reasonably carve out a case for the continuance of this absentee landlordism that's got the club on its knees.

Hopeless.

1) As good as Pienaar was i would hardly describe him as our best player - but then i wasnt a huge fan of his - but i take your point. I think you would struggle to find a team in the PL who wouldnt have sold him given the contraxt situation, lets be honest if he had stayed untill the summer and left for nothing i think its fair to say you would be critical of the club for that as well, would you want him to have parity with Artteta - do you think hes worth that? His wage demands were astrinomical as LCAB reported so he had no intention of staying and commiting to the club, there is an occasional bad snide at every club. As for being 13th in the league, the club and the manager are prob guilty of putting to much faith in existing players - giving them new contracts in the hope they are european contenders, proven not to be the case thus far - but not impossible this season either - a sitiuation im sure the club took to back the manager in his decison to keep his best players - you could say the decison of wheather that was the right thing to do or not rests with the manager - backed by the manager, im sure what we have spent on increased wages would have gotten us a player or two in the interuim without the contracts. Tell me if we we're 3rd with the same team would you back the board?

2) I think everyone knows the context of why AGM have changed, well in the bad ted birgade, as you say for tearing down years of tradition and marginliseing the wider fan base and lets be honest protests (proob wanted by the same bad teds) arent likely to inspire the club to reingage with fans. Wasnt it Paul Gregg who sold his own shareholding to Earl, the board just ratified it - im sure your aware of the rules in terms of circumstances the board can veto a sale.

3) Im going to be honest your not great when it comes to judgeing investment, ive heard you big up Shinawtra, Learner Portsmouth, Brum, West Ham over the years - your just mad for artifical wealth, which prob isnt healthy for any club in the long term anyway - especialy if its used to create a player purchase - wages bubble> Learner has destroyed Villa finances they are gone from no debt to 100mill in debt and the hole is getting deeper, thats more then their turnover can sustain, you heard it here first. Venky dont have a clue about football, they sacked their manager and use twitter and facebook to say their signing Ronaldhinho, imagine the debt that will fall back on the club in terms of wages etc, Blackburn have a very small turnover, lets see how their books are in the next year - but ill be honest i would be massively suspicious and their actions wouldnt create a great deal of faith in me, would you have liked Venky to be owners of Everton? I dont know what you think happened at Liverpool, but i know Hicks and Gillet didnt reach into their pockets and hand transfer fees to the club, it was all borrowed and piled on the club - this is what i mean aboput you not being a great judge of investment. Your useing them as an example of positive invesment is bewildering and frightening - as i think you honestly beleive what your saying. As for Johnson well, thats just a mad statement by you really isnt it, prob more so then wishing Paul Gregg was still in charge, 20 mill debt by Johnson tell me mate what was our turnover in Johnsons last year and what was the ratio to debt to turnover?

4) So just to clarify your sayng we are 75 mill in debt is that right? As for the fixed assets, i agree with you, it would be great to own finch farm, i would love to see us purchase it in the futuren - far from impossible. As for Bellefeild and Neatherton, well football moved on didnt it, they werent the modern training facilites the club required, we managed to raise equity from their sales at the same time moved to modern facilites, ive no doubht Finch will in the not so distant future fall under the ownership of the club, on the opposite side we have a lease that far outways mine and your lifetime. Incidently what do you think of Man City selling Maine Road and renting their stadium? They spend squillions on transfers - dont they!

 

[davek]

1) As good as Pienaar was i would hardly describe him as our best player - but then i wasnt a huge fan of his, i think you would struggle to find a team in the PL who wouldnt have sold him given the contraxt situation, lets be honest if he had stayed untill the summer and left for nothing i think its fair to say you would be critical of the club for that as well, his wage demands were astrinomical as LCAB reported so he had no intention of staying and commiting to the club, the occasional bad snide at every club. As for being 13th in the league, the club and the manager are prob guilty of putting to much faith in existing players - giving them new contracts in the hope they are european contenders, proven not to be the case thus far - but not impossible this season either - a sitiuation im suure the club took to back the manager to keep his best players - you could say the decison of wheather that was the right thing to do or not rests with the manager. Tell me if we we're 33rd with the ssame team would you still want to proteset against the board?

I said 'better' players, not best. As for the 13th position - what has that go to do with the choice the board gave the manager to either sign a player or nail down certain existing players to a contract extension? Baffled by that answer tbh. The only causation I see is that the manager's had his hands tied in the summer and this is the price you pay for it: a rubbish season.

2) I think everyone knows the context of why AGM have changed, well in the bad ted birgade as you tearing down years of tradition, and lets be honest protests (proob wanted by the same bad teds) arent likely to inspire the club to reingage with fans. Wasnt it Paul Gregg who sold his own shareholding to Earl, the board just ratified it - im sure aware of the rules in terms of circumstances the board can veto a sale.

So it's the ordinary shareholders exercising their traditional right to hold an AGM or the odd EGM that's to blame for the outrageous denial of the right to hold their board of directors accountable? Are you actually standing behind that action? It's a disgrace - and you're siding with it? Unbelievable.

3) Im going to be honest your not great when it comes to judgeing investment, ive heard you big up ShShinawtra, Learner Portsmouth, Brum, West Ham over the years - your just mad for artifical wealth, which prob isnt healthy for the club in the long term anyway - especialy if its used to create a player purchase bubble> Learner has destroyed Villa finaces they are gone from no debt to 100mill in debt and the wholes getting deeper, thats more then their turnover can sustain, you heard it here first. Venky dont have a clue about football, they sacked their manager and use twitter and facebook to say their signing Ronaldhinho, imagine the debt that will fall back n the club in terms of wages etc, blackburn have a very small turnover, lets see how their books are in the next year - but ill be honest i would be massively suspicious and their actions wouldnt create a great deal of faith in me. I dont know what you think happened at Liverpool, but i know hicks and Gillet didnt reach into their pockets and hand transfer fees to the club, it was all bprrowed and piled on the club - this is what i mean aboput you not being a great judge of investment.

I dont think you undertand what's being advanced here by me. Just to clarify: I'm asking you to explain to me why takeovers are worse than the status quo we have now - that is, the position where, when we take into account the long and short term debt, our debt has been almost quadrupled since BK took control; where we have poor infrastructure, no plan for the future re a stadium facility and are selling senior players without much hope of a loan let alone permanent signing through the door.

Admittedly, I'm a bit thick at times, so do me a favour and go through it again how that situation is worse than taking a chance on having new owners. Thanks.

4) So just to clarify your sayng we are 75 mill in debt is that right? As for the fixed assets, i agree with you would be great to own finch farm, i would love to see us purchase it in the futuren - far from impossible. As for Bellefeild and Neatherton well football moved on didnt it, they werent the modern training facilites the club required, we managed to raise equity from their sales at the same time moved to modern facilites, ive no doubht Finch will in the no so distant future fall under the ownership of the club, on the opposite side we have a lease that fair outways mine and your lifetime. Incidently what do you think of Man City selling Maine Road and renting their stadium? They spend squillions on transfers - dont they!

Ha Ha Ha. Oh dear. Read that part back to yourself. LMAO.

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[johnnydawg68]

Protests accomplish one positive thing, and one thing only. They make the protesters feel better because they are "doing something". But don't kid yourself. That's it. People with millions of dollars in the game don't give a rat's ass about protesters. Do you think the Glazers blinked at a VERY well organized and well funded coup attempt over in Manchester? HELL NO. The Ashley example has been brought up too.

So protest away lids. You'll feel better. But at the end of the day, the board will stay until someone stumps up the cash.

 

[uknightbreed]

how can we show our will to see improvement while at the same time supporting the team ?

being in a fancy dress shop ive come up with an idea.
1, everyone in goodison putting on bald caps at half time in the next match , to show the stress we have had to endure.
2. dark glasses (like blind mans glasses) aswell , to show the board there blind to our calls.

that way , the board can get the message , the players can still hear our support , the bald/hair ratio will be addressed , it will make a great picture , a rich blind bald man will hear about it and buy us , we will all live happily ever after.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Have to say IMO whatever the fans do and that includes the posters here short of torching GP nothing will shift BK and Co. I doubt if the other directors actually turn for any games anyway. We just have stupid frigging BK with that stupid frigging smile on his face quietly muttering Choo,choo.

I wonder who all those people are who sit in the diirector's box behind BK.

We will not be rid of them for many years to come.