Tim Howard

steken1 · February 20, 2016

Chang Elephant said:
Is he starting today ?

No. Already been said Joel plays. As he should right the way through.

RFUS · February 20, 2016

davek said:
Oh look, Martinez sacked Howard off - just like some of us were saying about two weeks ago to widespread ridicule and cynicism.

Funny that.

You do not get the high ground here, lad.

Martinez should have dropped him a year ago. Anyone doubting he'd do so now had bags of evidence and painful memories to back that up.

davek · February 20, 2016

RFUS said:
You do not get the high ground here, lad.

Martinez should have dropped him a year ago. Anyone doubting he'd do so now had bags of evidence and painful memories to back that up.

This isn't about Martinez's belated decision making; it's about some posters on here being ridiculed by others for suggesting weeks ago that the manager had indeed dropped Howard. Turns out that was right.

Just something to bear in mind for the future maybe when other claims might be rejected out of hand.

MikeH72 · February 20, 2016

We should have been playing with a goalkeeper 3 years ago

Caolam · February 20, 2016

I'm just happy Joel is playing.

MikeH72 · February 20, 2016

ilikecheese said:
It really is sad. He's doing exactly what the boo birds and moaners want with the keeper at yet they still moan.

HAHAHA. You mean he's doing exactly what he's being paid to do by managing the team correctly and picking the best players available to him?

royalblue66 · February 20, 2016

Good Luck to you Tim

Chang Elephant · February 21, 2016

Hoping this thread, and the Osman one, where self loathing individuals defended players that cost Everton points, is soon to be consigned to the dustbin of history

orly · February 21, 2016

Chang Elephant said:
Hoping this thread, and the Osman one, where self loathing individuals defended players that cost Everton points, is soon to be consigned to the dustbin of history

And Cleverley too.

Tim please use your time in Dubai to convince him of the merits of Colorado.

Zatara · February 21, 2016

davek said:
This isn't about Martinez's belated decision making; it's about some posters on here being ridiculed by others for suggesting weeks ago that the manager had indeed dropped Howard. Turns out that was right.

Just something to bear in mind for the future maybe when other claims might be rejected out of hand.

Also joel has had another 12 months to improve. Ig may well have been that in training Martinez saw this and has timed the changeover to suit Joel who now looks quite good...

If Joel continues like this then it will have done him no harm at all. He may have done well last season but then dropped off a cliff...we dont know.

i think its a case of Martinez sacrificing the pts short term to benefit us long term. A clear philosophy based upon his signings of young stars and short term stop gaps.

As for Howard, doesnt the MLS window happen or extend into march or when is the time we can punt him there?

Guess he will go on a free.

Eric Djemba-Djemba · February 21, 2016

There is absolutely no excuse for Martinez leaving it this long to give him a chance. He should have got a run of games September 2014.

Furey1878 · February 21, 2016

orly said:
And Cleverley too.

Tim please use your time in Dubai to convince him of the merits of Colorado.

Cleverly has not earned that much hatred, yet.

Perhaps his time will come but for now can you evenly distribute his abuse between Osman, Howard, the Goodison Crowd, Kone and Martinez please?

orly · February 21, 2016

Furey1878 said:
Cleverly has not earned that much hatred, yet.

Perhaps his time will come but for now can you evenly distribute his abuse between Osman, Howard, the Goodison Crowd, Kone and Martinez please?

Are you asking for a pie chart?

@davek

davek · February 21, 2016

Zatara said:
Also joel has had another 12 months to improve. Ig may well have been that in training Martinez saw this and has timed the changeover to suit Joel who now looks quite good...

If Joel continues like this then it will have done him no harm at all. He may have done well last season but then dropped off a cliff...we dont know.

i think its a case of Martinez sacrificing the pts short term to benefit us long term. A clear philosophy based upon his signings of young stars and short term stop gaps.

As for Howard, doesnt the MLS window happen or extend into march or when is the time we can punt him there?

Guess he will go on a free.

If Howard were halfways decent this season he'd still be playing. I think RMs hand has been forced by Howard's appalling collapse and Robles is the only option.

He's good (Robles), but even yesterday showed a few signs of misjudging crosses that a better team would have converted. We need another one in the summer to vie with Robles.

mlyons · February 21, 2016

Zatara said:
Also joel has had another 12 months to improve. Ig may well have been that in training Martinez saw this and has timed the changeover to suit Joel who now looks quite good...

If Joel continues like this then it will have done him no harm at all. He may have done well last season but then dropped off a cliff...we dont know.

i think its a case of Martinez sacrificing the pts short term to benefit us long term. A clear philosophy based upon his signings of young stars and short term stop gaps.

As for Howard, doesnt the MLS window happen or extend into march or when is the time we can punt him there?

Guess he will go on a free.

He's gone in the summer. An MLS team could in theory sign him now (their transfer window just opened a few days ago) but it makes absolutely no sense for him to leave before our season ends. I'm happy to admit that Robles is a better choice in goal than Howard now, but if Joel gets injured you'd have to be utterly blinded by hatred not to think Howard would be a better replacement than Jindrich Stanek or Russell Griffiths or Mateusz Hewelts or whoever the hell our current third choice keeper might be.