Tim Howard

[Joey66]

YES!

last two home games scored Five Nil points!
There's six points down the toilet!

 

[Joey66]

Don't forget Georgie Wood Joey

Yes Georgie was a vey good keeper

 

[steken1]

If you really think we'd be nine points better with Joel in goal instead of Howard, you don't really understand football.

I think the shoe may be on the other foot my learned friend. Id have said 9 as an absolute minimum. He's comfortably the worst keeper in the league and our defence do NOT trust him at all.

 

[Joey66]

I think the shoe may be on the other foot my learned friend. Id have said 9 as an absolute minimum. He's comfortably the worst keeper in the league and our defence do NOT trust him at all.

Spot on

 

[Bluetintedspecs]

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/stats?competition=1&season=2015&category=GOALKEEPING&team=0&isOpp=0

Here's a link that someone posted 3 weeks ago (now updated) from Fox Sports, which is effectively the same table containing the same stats, but with the keepers in a completely different order. If you click on both, you'll see that Pantilimon is 2nd on one table, but 17th on the other. Guzan is 4th on one, but 25th on the other.

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/stats?competition=1&season=2015&category=GOALKEEPING&team=0&sort=13

Those two links, to the same website, make a mockery of judging a keeper by stats. Regardless of any inaccuracies in those figures, there are so many aspects of goalkeeping that can't be measured by stats.

You can't judge a keeper just by the number of saves he makes. Howard's weaknesses: failing to come for crosses when he should, flapping at crosses when he does come out, poor positioning, judgement, zero communication with his defence, giving the ball away through poor distribution. These things aren't possible to measure because it's subject to personal opinion, so that further undermines any stats the pro-Howard camp want to flag up.

 

[Joey66]

Here's a link that someone posted 3 weeks ago (now updated) from Fox Sports, which is effectively the same table containing the same stats, but with the keepers in a completely different order. If you click on both, you'll see that Pantilimon is 2nd on one table, but 17th on the other. Guzan is 4th on one, but 25th on the other.

http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/stats?competition=1&season=2015&category=GOALKEEPING&team=0&sort=13

Those two links, to the same website, make a mockery of judging a keeper by stats. Regardless of any inaccuracies in those figures, there are so many aspects of goalkeeping that can't be measured by stats.

You can't judge a keeper just by the number of saves he makes. Howard's weaknesses: failing to come for crosses when he should, flapping at crosses when he does come out, poor positioning, judgement, zero communication with his defence, giving the ball away through poor distribution. These things aren't possible to measure because it's subject to personal opinion, so that further undermines any stats the pro-Howard camp want to flag up.

The only Stat I see is the disaster of a keeper RM for some reason keeps on choosing sadly this season the damage may have been done!

 

[blue61]

Yes Georgie was a vey good keeper

I would say he was good but not very good, always liable to the odd ricket, as is Howard. Very good at showing his backside like.

 

[daz4matty]

I would say he was good but not very good, always liable to the odd ricket, as is Howard. Very good at showing his backside like.

Yeah georgie made some bad mistakes but he commanded his box

 

[mlyons]

Says the yank

Really? You're going with that tired old cliché? This isn't 1982 anymore.

 

[Groucho]

If you really think we'd be nine points better with Joel in goal instead of Howard, you don't really understand football.

I'm not putting a definitive points tally on it, but Howard has not been on top form this season, and possibly last season.

Whether Robles would've made a difference we'll never know but last season he had 3 games on the run and kept 3 clean sheets. For me, he deserved a run then.

Now that (for most people) Howard is less than excellent, surely it's time to give Joel a try? Otherwise what's the point in him being here?

I'll admit we probably compare every goalie to Nev, who was the best in the world (tm) so all goalies will fall short of our idol but for me and a lot of others, Tim Howard is not playing well - Martinez may even be damaging his confidence by not giving him a break.

 

[BoysInBlue]

If you really think we'd be nine points better with Joel in goal instead of Howard, you don't really understand football.

I understand that if a player is playing terribly over a long period of time, you drop him and give his understudy a go.

City did it with Joe Hart last season.
Norwich did it with John Ruddy this season.

Tim Howard is not an untouchable god who can never be dropped. Or at least he shouldn't be, at a well-managed club. People who 'really understand football' should be able to comprehend that.

 

[mlyons]

I think the shoe may be on the other foot my learned friend. Id have said 9 as an absolute minimum. He's comfortably the worst keeper in the league and our defence do NOT trust him at all.

You've clearly not seen Norwich or Sunderland or Bournemouth or Newcastle or Aston Villa play this season, then. Considering how much more suicidally attacking we play than Southampton and Swansea and West Brom, I'd say Howard's been pretty clearly better than Stekelenburg, Fabianski, and Myhill, too.

Why does there have to be this huge leap from "not good enough for a club with our aspirations" to "worst in the league"?

 

[daz4matty]

You've clearly not seen Norwich or Sunderland or Bournemouth or Newcastle or Aston Villa play this season, then. Considering how much more suicidally attacking we play than Southampton and Swansea and West Brom, I'd say Howard's been pretty clearly better than Stekelenburg, Fabianski, and Myhill, too.

Why does there have to be this huge leap from "not good enough for a club with our aspirations" to "worst in the league"?

Howard is cack mate.
He is scared to come for crosses and has cost us this season.

 

[mlyons]

Howard is cack mate.
He is scared to come for crosses and has cost us this season.

Fine, so let's get someone better. Not someone who's different just for the sake of being different.

We need someone who's better than Howard, and the answer to who that might be is a lot more complicated than "anybody".

 

[steken1]

You've clearly not seen Norwich or Sunderland or Bournemouth or Newcastle or Aston Villa play this season, then. Considering how much more suicidally attacking we play than Southampton and Swansea and West Brom, I'd say Howard's been pretty clearly better than Stekelenburg, Fabianski, and Myhill, too.

Why does there have to be this huge leap from "not good enough for a club with our aspirations" to "worst in the league"?

It's not a big leap. I've said it for years. The sheer number of individual mistakes he makes is unparalleled across the division. That's without highlighting his other shortcomings.

The worst keeper in the league and has been for 2 seasons now..