Tim Howard

[TheFinnFan]

Next few games I hope!If good the the rest of the season !

maybe at some point the camels back will snap and howard will be dropped, but that would mean huge screw up from him...that would most certainly be a costly screw up, so i quess no one really wants that.

 

[Tubey]

maybe at some point the camels back will snap and howard will be dropped, but that would mean huge screw up from him...that would most certainly be a costly screw up, so i quess no one really wants that.

It happened yesterday. Three times.

 

[jinkyali]

We have to mate though I know what you mean. I've backed Martinez to the hilt, certainly more than the players, but him bringing Howard back really has tested my patience and it could ( as it stands it is ) backfire on him spectacularly.

Also, it's not just about the 3 clean sheets Robles had, he played 8 games and game on game he grew in confidence and stature. The 3 clean sheets were just a culmination of him finding his feet and form. Really was a criminal decision to bring Howard back who was in poor form pre injury. I'm expecting the same though, he will stick with Howard to help him find his form ( he done it against Swansea away in the cup when he should have been dropped and he was crap that game as well ) as him dropping him for Joel will be an admission that he has dropped an absolute bollock

Based on that, how can we possibly back him going into next season?

Players know if your a favourite you will play. Regardless.

It goes against the principles of earning your place; why would I (a player) sign for a manager who is like that?

 

[TheFinnFan]

It happened yesterday. Three times.

but those werent hugely costly screw ups.

 

[MikeH72]

Perfectly happy for him to lead from the bench for the rest of the season and from Nantucket or wherever next season. As with Captain Pip, players seem to get edgey when the person egging them on is performing like a seal with cataracts.

I've seen Naismith barking orders as well and he can't control a ball or complete a 5 yard pass. We have no actual leaders, Jagielka is like a timid little mouse on the pitch

 

[PeterPrinciple]

Haha, the phrase "clutching at straws" comes to mind. How many points does Howard have to cost us before the star spangled specs you are looking through come off?

Ouch. The American thing again eh. In this same thread I have called for Joel and expressed my disapoiontment that he proved me so wrong yesterday. If anything I was defending the manager's choice to return Howard at the time not Howard's play.

I'm just a bit more pragmatic about football situations, or willing to let an established pattern of player play be broken by a new established pattern rather than by isolated events before binning them. You will see a similar tone to my treatment of players like Barry(still floundering) or Baines (seemed to be getting back on track) or Mirallas (who is well less established than Howard had been). If there is fault with my sensibilities it lies there, not in the place I happened to have escaped the womb in.

Robles mostly performed on par with Howard (both which would be considered unacceptable) except for the three game clean sheet stretch. In that stretch Everton faced two bad teams and Liverpool. He was basically untested in the two matches against bad sides and in fact was beaten in a manner that Howard (or whomever the "number 1" is) would have been derided for. All that is fact. Yet that was enough to turn the tide.

Howard

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

but those werent hugely costly screw ups.

I'd call 2 goals and 2 points very costly.

Howard is mince.

 

[MrGrumpy]

The main problem with Howard this season is you know we are going to concede, this doesn't just add pressure on the defence but also the attack. I've never know a season were we gone 1-0 up and end up losing or rescuing a point. The only time we've done it recently was with Robles in goal against Palace. We were once the masters of 1-0. Now you know unless we get 3 goals we probablyaren't gonna win and that must add to Lukaku pressure as he know every miss makes it more likely we will lose

 

[Eric Djemba-Djemba]

Ouch. The American thing again eh. In this same thread I have called for Joel and expressed my disapoiontment that he proved me so wrong yesterday. If anything I was defending the manager's choice to return Howard at the time not Howard's play.

I'm just a bit more pragmatic about football situations, or willing to let an established pattern of player play be broken by a new established pattern rather than by isolated events before binning them. You will see a similar tone to my treatment of players like Barry(still floundering) or Baines (seemed to be getting back on track) or Mirallas (who is well less established than Howard had been). If there is fault with my sensibilities it lies there, not in the place I happened to have escaped the womb in.

Robles mostly performed on par with Howard (both which would be considered unacceptable) except for the three game clean sheet stretch. In that stretch Everton faced two bad teams and Liverpool. He was basically untested in the two matches against bad sides and in fact was beaten in a manner that Howard (or whomever the "number 1" is) would have been derided for. All that is fact. Yet that was enough to turn the tide.

Howard

Robles and Howard mostly on par this season?

Actual LOL

 

[peteblue]

I'd call 2 goals and 2 points very costly.

Howard is mince.

I just cannot understand how a goalkeeper, with the hi-tech gloves and years of experience cannot hold a ball or punch it 40 yards. It truly baffles me watching him parry the ball to the feet of the opposition on a regular basis.........

 

[PeterPrinciple]

Robles and Howard mostly on par this season?

Actual LOL

I could quote stats and anecdote and whatnot, but Howard has earned his treatment here, and it is futile to defend his performance. Everton need better keeping, maybe Joel can provide it- at any rate he's the only real option we have to a keeper who sets up the opposition.

 

[MACCA75]

but those werent hugely costly screw ups.

Eh?

 

[maccavennie]

Based on that, how can we possibly back him going into next season?

Players know if your a favourite you will play. Regardless.

It goes against the principles of earning your place; why would I (a player) sign for a manager who is like that?

I wasn't really talking about next season tbh mate, more about the here and now. Next season is too far away to think about what he may/may not do.

 

[Carlito]

Howard, along with the rest of the Moyes clique, needs bombing out as soon as possible.

It's incredible how much influence these players enjoy, especially when you consider the fact they've never achieved anything of note here or anywhere else.

 

[Joey66]

but those werent hugely costly screw ups.

What? It cost us two points to take a bit of pressure off us - arsenal, and Stoke away next!