This is how bad it feels at the moment.

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Agreed, also struggling to come up with ideas here. There just isn't much there to work with. As Neiler finally admitted, we were always going to struggle with lack of options in central midfield this season and failed to secure cover for potential injuries as usual.

I actually can't think of anything we could try, everything I come up with always comes back to overburdening Rodwell or Baines. We need a Banega-like in the January window, that's for sure, even if it's just a poor English equivalent.
 
We just need a spark, we are lacking something, thats bound to happen with the amount of utter choas going on behind the scenes, players dropping like flys, Kenwrong giving out pool party invites. Its gotta disrupt things.
 
Agreed, also struggling to come up with ideas here. There just isn't much there to work with. As Neiler finally admitted, we were always going to struggle with lack of options in central midfield this season and failed to secure cover for potential injuries as usual.

I actually can't think of anything we could try, everything I come up with always comes back to overburdening Rodwell or Baines. We need a Banega-like in the January window, that's for sure, even if it's just a poor English equivalent.

What we need to do is what we did in the 2nd half. Play football, instead of hoofing it long. It doesn't take a genius to work it out, but Everton players seem to always resort to that tactic, and you may as well kick it out for a throw in - it works like 1 in 20 times you boot it forward. That Wimbledon's fault.
 
Do you think that's it? We have a pretty settled back 4 apart from Hibbert in and out, and I think Lucas Neill is a very good player who can pass. Definitely a push on Hibbert.

Yobo maybe out for Jags, but other than that it's the 4 you want.

I think our problems are lying with Fellaini who just doesn't do enough for the price we paid for him, so he's forever going to have the pressure upon him, and he's just not that player who can control a game.

So more often than not the game just passes him by.

Saha is a great talent and I don't think we are getting it into his feet quick enough.

What we need to do is what we did 2nd half and that is demand the ball and pass it around, instead of the desperate hoof. So with that in mind we didn't lose any players injured at half time, it was pretty much the same side bar 1 player, and we played some good football.

So yeah Arteta, Pienaar will help, but it's the mental block of playing these sides where we give them too much respect. Lesser quality teams have gone to Old Trafford and gave them a game, I think we have good players, and were capable today of doing so, we did that in the 2nd half - the goals we conceded were unfortunate.

I'm not saying injuries are not a concern, but we need to accept them and work with what we have. The fact that we did in the 2nd half to me proves that the players are - some fans though are not and use it as an excuse every time.

We are working with what we have, and it's obviously not working. The team has proven over the last 8-9 games or so that it's struggling. We played well for a 15 minute spell in the second half, if that. It means nothing to be honest, we still weren't impressive.

Pienaar-----Neville-----Cahill-----Arteta-----Bilyaletdinov

That's our strongest midfield, only one of the players mentioned was playing today and he was playing on the wing, which isn't a position he's comfortable in. That's the spine of our side, an experienced, talented and well balanced midfield.

Some fans are realistic and have realistic expectations, I can see that a midfield of Gosling, Heitinga, Fellaini, Rodwell and Cahill is extremely unbalanced and not good enough.

It'd be a different story altogether if we had Osman, Pienaar and Bilyaletdinov available, I'd expect the team to play to a certain standard and win games. And that's not even with the likes of Neville, Jagielka and Arteta. At the moment though, I just don't see it, nothing is working for us and we've tried quite a few things.
 
Well you may be right, but it's disappointing that players we have spent money on are not taking their chances. Players like Jo who is in limbo, not taking his chance.

Fellaini is disappointing me, as is Cahill to be fair. I know he is playing out of position, but he should get on with it and be happy.

One thing is for sure though, when these players get back, and we are still [Poor language removed], then people are going to run out of excuses, and then it will no doubt revert back to Kenwright.
 
What we need to do is what we did in the 2nd half. Play football, instead of hoofing it long. It doesn't take a genius to work it out, but Everton players seem to always resort to that tactic, and you may as well kick it out for a throw in - it works like 1 in 20 times you boot it forward. That Wimbledon's fault.

The thing is, we only started to play football and make any chances because we had the Yak and Saha playing together up front. I agree today probably the only way we were going to get anything out of the game was to score some goals. Making it defensive was the wrong way to go really as United are a defensive team with better quality than us.

Yet I can still see us trying 4-4-2 against Hull, getting overrun in midfield and losing 3-2 or something. Jimmy Bullard would do for us at the moment, by the way.
 
Well you may be right, but it's disappointing that players we have spent money on are not taking their chances. Players like Jo who is in limbo, not taking his chance.

Fellaini is disappointing me, as is Cahill to be fair. I know he is playing out of position, but he should get on with it and be happy.

One thing is for sure though, when these players get back, and we are still [Poor language removed], then people are going to run out of excuses, and then it will no doubt revert back to Kenwright.

He is getting on with it. One of our hardest working players. He's just not very good on the wing. Not his fault.
 
The thing is, we only started to play football and make any chances because we had the Yak and Saha playing together up front. I agree today probably the only way we were going to get anything out of the game was to score some goals. Making it defensive was the wrong way to go really as United are a defensive team with better quality than us.

Yet I can still see us trying 4-4-2 against Hull, getting overrun in midfield and losing 3-2 or something. Jimmy Bullard would do for us at the moment, by the way.

Weird that, when a cheap English Banega was brought up I thought of ugly Jimmy.

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The biggest problem is the structure of football itself. Entire lifetimes come and go for fans of any given club without winning a single major honour (stand up if you support Newcastle Utd), while the likes of Man Utd and LFC have, in my lifetime, won over 20 titles between them and 7 European Cups. And since Sky came along, it's become even harder for clubs like Everton to make any impact thanks to the devastating policy of rewarding success with massive financial windfalls which in turn widen the gap and create "glass ceilings" for everyone else. Basically, it isn't fair.

What we really need is an entire overhaul of the reward system and a look at how successful clubs can be prevented from being able to hoard top class players. Because I am sure I am not alone in being sick, sore and tired of the same old clique contesting everything while we line up for an annual meek handover of 3 points at Old Trafford.
 
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