The summer 2013 Everton transfer rumourZ thread

[paulbefc]

Dunno mate. QPR also got relegated and i'd happily have taken Cesar and Remy (before his rape charge).

This idea that players aren't good enough because they played for a relegated side is the most basic criticism you can make and isn't even true. If Villa had gone down i guess Benteke would have been pyar gash.

If Villa had gone down and we'd signed Benteke, I'd have been delirious. Benteke is a good example of the fact that the worry about the three Wigan players we've signed has relatively little to do with the fact they got relegated. The worry is that we've spent a good wedge on them (apparently our whole budget) and they're very likely not all that.

 

[tim cahill]

One player from a relegated team is fine. Four players and their manager and coaching staff, well that for me would set alarm bells ringing.

You're a 'glass half empty' kind of guy aren't you?!

The same management team won Wigan their first ever major trophy last year. And players need to be judged individually.

 

[Brennan]

If Villa had gone down and we'd signed Benteke, I'd have been delirious. Benteke is a good example of the fact that the worry about the three Wigan players we've signed has relatively little to do with the fact they got relegated. The worry is that we've spent a good wedge on them (apparently our whole budget) and they're very likely not all that.

I guess then the question is could we have signed a back up keeper, back up centre half, and PL striker for £6m total whose actual ability would have made up for the lack of familiarity with Martinez's tactics ?

I'm not sure if we could, certainly not without rolling the dice.

 

[Brennan]

One player from a relegated team is fine. Four players and their manager and coaching staff, well that for me would set alarm bells ringing.

Alcaraz barely played but when he did he was their best centre half, and he's an experienced international. Robles barely played but when he did he kept a clean sheet and they won the FA Cup. Kone scored 11 goals for a relegated side, a better goal tally than either of our other strikers managed.

Saying they came from a relegated side doesn't tell the story at all and is a pointless criticism. If we'd signed McArthur, Santos, and Boyce then fair enough.

 

[TheFinnFan]

If Villa had gone down and we'd signed Benteke, I'd have been delirious. Benteke is a good example of the fact that the worry about the three Wigan players we've signed has relatively little to do with the fact they got relegated. The worry is that we've spent a good wedge on them (apparently our whole budget) and they're very likely not all that.

replacements (squad players if i may) had to be signed quickly. Why wouldnt he sign players he know to be good. If he would have waited we would be in very "thin" condition rigt now - as a team. Now we are in the situation that core is ready, if there is outs Martinez will bring new targets. If we can keep duo thats ace, and on top of that if he makes one or two signings we are is brilliant situation. win win.

 

[DualityNSNO]

"They played for a lesser/relegated team hur dur"

We've signed, to be fair, all of our recent star players from lesser and relegated teams. Just saying.

The signings make sense if you try to open your eyes, really. I'm not happy they're 30, but as squad additions - they're good, as we now have the options, rather than overplaying Baines (or anyone else) every season by playing them in every game.

 

[MungoD]

One player from a relegated team is fine. Four players and their manager and coaching staff, well that for me would set alarm bells ringing.

This would be the case if they were players that we were putting straight in the team, but they are squad players, even Kone. Robles is long term.

McCarthy on the other hand would be a different matter, but buying a player who is widely regarded as a very good prem player cant be seen as bad. McCarthy would be a solid player for us...the price could be wrong but the market is unfortunately dictating. I would rather RM bought a young player he knows than risk on 2 players hes not sure on.

 

[MACCA75]

You're a 'glass half empty' kind of guy aren't you?!

The same management team won
Wigan their first ever major trophy last
year. And players need to be judged
individually.

I like Kone - decent striker. Not convinced by Robles (Brennan - why did he barely play?). And i dont think Alcaraz improves us either. ('Wigans best centre half' er, great!)
Those two were cheap or free though, so not conplaining, but i'm certainly not doing cartwhweels over this summers recruitment so far. I think Norwich, Southampton, Swansea have all signed some better players than we have.

 

[LTblue]

Kone and Alcaraz were regarded as good premier league standard performers, Robles came on loan for Atletico Madrid and had 8 games ousting their number one Al-Habsi and playing very well, particularly against us and in the Cup final. Martinez knows them as well as anyone and will have a clear idea of where they will fit in our team. It's as good a bit of business Everton have done in a very long time especially when you add Deulofeu in the mix.

 

[Baines' left foot]

I'd rather pay £5m for a 29 year old Kone than £8m for a relatively unknown Gomis.

 

[paulbefc]

I guess then the question is could we have signed a back up keeper, back up centre half, and PL striker for £6m total whose actual ability would have made up for the lack of familiarity with Martinez's tactics ?

I'm not sure if we could, certainly not without rolling the dice.

Surely the cost of bringing those three in is way over this £6m figure? It's possibly closer to £10m with every cost accounted for (not that the extra costs wouldn't have been incurred with different signings, but still). I think Alcaraz and Robles were alright signings on the face of it, but for £5m I think we could have done a fair bit better than Kone, which is where the vast majority of the money (and £50k a week from now on, apparently) has gone.

Tbh, with all the talk of "world market" and Champions League football when RM came in, I thought we'd be "rolling the dice" a lot more, rather than playing it safe with arguably "proven" players from a poor Wigan side. While at times "playing it safe" arguably worked well for Moyes and he always had his "favourites", such as Neville, Osman, Hibbert, he was also capable of bringing in the exciting talents needed to compete at the top end of the league to go with them. That's what I want to see next from RM, unless he thinks he has all the talent he needs here and only needs to bulk up the squad, in which case good luck to him.

People love to group large numbers of posters' opinions into particular, convenient brackets for their dismissal and ridicule, so I will reiterate that I'm not having a go at RM, just expressing a bit of concern. I could still end up ecstatic with our transfer window in a month's time.

 

[tonka1878]

If Villa had gone down and we'd signed Benteke, I'd have been delirious. Benteke is a good example of the fact that the worry about the three Wigan players we've signed has relatively little to do with the fact they got relegated. The worry is that we've spent a good wedge on them (apparently our whole budget) and they're very likely not all that.

The fact that our budget (supposedly) is such a meagre sum is more of a concern for me. As for the "Wigan" players, lets wait and see how the do in an Everton shirt before we call them ****e!

 

[toffeejack]

I like Kone - decent striker. Not convinced by Robles (Brennan - why did he barely play?). And i dont think Alcaraz improves us either. ('Wigans best centre half' er, great!)
Those two were cheap or free though, so not conplaining, but i'm certainly not doing cartwhweels over this summers recruitment so far. I think Norwich, Southampton, Swansea have all signed some better players than we have.

yeah but those three teams needed to buy better players. they also don't have a useless chairman not willing to attempt to strengthen our squad considerably

 

[Blue for you]

I'd rather pay £5m for a 29 year old Kone than £8m for a relatively unknown Gomis.

i think Gomis is well know footballer and has played for france,

 

[Baines' left foot]

i think Gomis is well know footballer and has played for france,

Should have been clearer, I meant unknown as far as the PL goes as Ligue 1 is nowhere near it. He's a bit of a risk at £8m. Lyon did well considering he was in the last year of his contract.

3 goals in 12 for France too? Hardly prolific.