The State of the game

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Modern football stinks. Listen to ye arl fella.

Coyney: me arl fella was a psychiatric nurse for twenty odd years, put out his back restraining a violent patient and just had to fight for years as the NHS wouldnt give him his pension or sick pay. Finally he won but it was bang out of order. Im really pleased you had a similar outcome pal.
 

chicoazul said:
Modern football stinks. Listen to ye arl fella.

Coyney: me arl fella was a psychiatric nurse for twenty odd years, put out his back restraining a violent patient and just had to fight for years as the NHS wouldnt give him his pension or sick pay. Finally he won but it was bang out of order. Im really pleased you had a similar outcome pal.
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Thanks mate ,its a joke the staff are treated like 2nd class beings my mate had 27 stitches in his face after a patient smashed a cup in his face,after a few weeks off he got a letter asking if he intended to come back, his compensation worked out at less than£10 a stitch:@a patient died and because he had bruises over his body(he was constantly trying to screw other patients who hit him) the whole of our shift where interviewed and the guy who found him was suspected of killing him because they found traces of him on the patient? he had tried to revive him he ended up leaving and is now living it the states as a trucker.
 
Due to recent events at City i decided to give this a bump.

I have to admit that since I started this thread my views have changed.

First of all, I am proud to be a blue at the moment, the progression made since 10 years ago and the way it has been made on a shoestring is brilliant. However, how far can it go? We are now at the point where money is required to progress any further. Kaka could very well have more money to spend at the end of the year than this football club. It is disgusting. I'm asking myself;

Is it really worth spending all my time checking newsnow and scouring the forums for info on the club?

What exactly am I gaining from supporting my club, and more importantly what am I likely to gain in the future?

I love going to watch Everton home & away but is there any point?

Football is becoming false, Everton & the RS in the 80's were great on merit, Utd in the 90's were great on merit, Chelsea in the 00's are great on money and that's they way it is always going to be from now on. No one is ever going to earn their success anymore.

I plough hundreds of pounds into the game every year to follow this side, who have a near enough impossible task of giving me something in return. If the blues received investment of some substance, could you be proud of them if they then become a dominant force? I dont think I could. Its just fantasy football.

Any player can go anywhere they want when they want, because the amount of money in the game pretty much makes their contracts non existant. Take the Defoe deal for example, he was only 6 months into his contract, and due to the money available to spurs they've been able to take him back at much more then they sold him without even batting an eyelid.

Basically I think I am going to have to distance myself from this game and watch for entertainment purposes only, my allegiance to this club or any club for that matter is becoming a waste of time.
 
I've long since stopped following Everton with the expectation of trophies. They're an added bonus at the moment. But Everton are the team I follow, and will always follow. Nothing will change that. I get enjoyment from seeing us as far up the table as we are. I know many will regard that as a stain on the NSNO motto but I prefer to regard it as realistic at this precise moment in time. We win a lot more matches than we lose so there's nothing major to concern me right now.
 

Do you not care that no one is earning the right to win things anymore?

How long will you be content with 6th place? And when time comes for Everton to challenge for honours, they will also be buying the right to do so, do you not find that pointless?
 
kingjoleon said:
Due to recent events at City i decided to give this a bump.

I have to admit that since I started this thread my views have changed.

First of all, I am proud to be a blue at the moment, the progression made since 10 years ago and the way it has been made on a shoestring is brilliant. However, how far can it go? We are now at the point where money is required to progress any further. Kaka could very well have more money to spend at the end of the year than this football club. It is disgusting. I'm asking myself;

Is it really worth spending all my time checking newsnow and scouring the forums for info on the club?

What exactly am I gaining from supporting my club, and more importantly what am I likely to gain in the future?

I love going to watch Everton home & away but is there any point?

Football is becoming false, Everton & the RS in the 80's were great on merit, Utd in the 90's were great on merit, Chelsea in the 00's are great on money and that's they way it is always going to be from now on. No one is ever going to earn their success anymore.

I plough hundreds of pounds into the game every year to follow this side, who have a near enough impossible task of giving me something in return. If the blues received investment of some substance, could you be proud of them if they then become a dominant force? I dont think I could. Its just fantasy football.

Any player can go anywhere they want when they want, because the amount of money in the game pretty much makes their contracts non existant. Take the Defoe deal for example, he was only 6 months into his contract, and due to the money available to spurs they've been able to take him back at much more then they sold him without even batting an eyelid.

Basically I think I am going to have to distance myself from this game and watch for entertainment purposes only, my allegiance to this club or any club for that matter is becoming a waste of time.
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Are you weighing up support for a team by success? It sounds like you're getting fed up supporting a team because they havent won any silverware since 95. Now the fact Citeh are throwing (or attempting to throw) money about are making you feel nervous for the future.

Football matters and we're still a club that the slogan still rings true. Whether or not people agree with how the club is ran, from the outsider looking in we're still a club riding along in the top 6 agains the big money men because of one thing...football.

I've been up and down the country and apart from really bad stick from plastic red [Poor language removed], Chelski, and Manure fans - every other supporter of other teams in the country have seen me with the blue shirt on and have said good things, been friendly because of one thing - football.

One of the best things about being a blue is that genuine football supporters who have followed football for decades recognise Everton as a football club, the "peoples club." We're not a glitz and glamour club in it for the money, we're not a boasting club, a club who whinge and moan, we're a pure top flight football club and are one of the establishment, we're respected and have a manager/players who are upstanding rolemodels for fans and the city IMO. Did you know only Moyes and Pip Neville were the only footballers/manager that turned up for Sports Personality of the Year the other month? No one from the [Poor language removed] (Liverpools "biggest" team) turned up, no one from the Premier League apart from Moyes and Neville representing Liverpool/Merseyside. That's just an indication of how self-centred clubs are nowdays when not even Stevie G-Lar (footballs most "respected" player) can be arse to turn up to a national event held in the city.

Funny story on one of me travels. Bumped into a group of scouse red noses in a pub toilet - bit of banter. Then a Millwall fan came in saw me with the blue shirt on and said that he loved the fact I was a supporter and wearing that shirt (outside of merseyside) because we were a "proper" football club, and it was nice to see someone wearing it than all the "[Poor language removed]" Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man Utd fans that pitter about bragging this and that. The scouse red nose wasnt impressed and didnt say a word. I just laughed.

Anyway...Now days money matters and we are still a team that football does the talking. I want us to have financial clout to stay and compete. But if the day comes where money buys you silverware and dominates football and we cant compete - I'd rather we dropped a tier where people care about football and not moaning about which superstar we need to make us title contenders, that our manager has lost a game and are 5 points from the top and that isnt good enough for the club even if he's a world cup winner etc.


Anyway, rant over. The club is worth it.
 
kingjoleon said:
Do you not care that no one is earning the right to win things anymore?

How long will you be content with 6th place? And when time comes for Everton to challenge for honours, they will also be buying the right to do so, do you not find that pointless?
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I think there's perhaps a distinction that you need to make to avoid confusion. If you're saying that you're less willing to spend a lot of money on the club in the current circumstances, both economically and given our chances of success, then that's understandable.

If however you're saying that you're less willing to follow the club with no success on the horizon then I guess to the majority of Blues that would be less easy to swallow.
 
We're not a glitz and glamour club in it for the money, we're not a boasting club, a club who whinge and moan, we're a pure top flight football club and are one of the establishment, we're respected and have a manager/players who are upstanding rolemodels for fans and the city IMO. Did you know only Moyes and Pip Neville were the only footballers/manager that turned up for Sports Personality of the Year the other month?
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Hence thats why I'm proud to be a blue. Great club, great history with great personnel past and present and that regarding the sports personality awards underlines that fact.
But if the day comes where money buys you silverware and dominates football and we cant compete - I'd rather we dropped a tier where people care about football and not moaning about which superstar we need to make us title contenders, that our manager has lost a game and are 5 points from the top and that isnt good enough for the club even if he's a world cup winner etc.
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This I do not understand, it is inevitable that money is going to ruin the game. If you cant win trophies, surely the game is pointless, in the past we have always had the hope that we can progress and reach the levels of those above us, now that those hopes are being dashed by the astronomical levels of cash being thrown about. I dont want Everton to have to resort to that to be a great side.

I remember last year or the year before, UEFA or FIFA talked about the introduction of the 'Phoenix league' where all the big boys (champions league regulars) played the season in their own league?

Now that I would agree with, if they all [Poor language removed] off and we didnt have anything to do with them I would be happy, but if they stay, and more and more clubs get taken over. I'm not prepared to keep putting my money into the sport.
 

We can win trophies. What's to stop us winning the Carling Cup, FA Cup or Uefa? Other teams around us have or have reached the final for the chance of winning them. Its more down to tactics, will to win etc - teams like Bury, Southend, Barnsley etc who cause giant killings against Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Mau Utd dont moan about having no money but still have their day in the sun against them. We're stronger than those teams and with a bit of luck of the draw get to the finals.

Those cups are there for the taking...we just never do. Thats down the management and tactics than anything else.
 
Expectation versus financial reality. It's actually healthy to see the debate still raging amongst Evertonians. I pessimistically thought that the market-led, cost-benefit analysis fan was winning the day - the ones happy to have a club treading water in competitive terms because the all important matter to them is backing the board's policy of prudence (aka zero investment plan). But a thread like this one sort of makes you think again.

As far as being a 'proper club' is concerned, that's all well and good, but the conundrum identified by kingjoleon means we need to get big money in and win something again sooner rather than later or else we'll be a proper minnow club, just like the Millwall's that look up to us now.
 
kenada_blue said:
We can win trophies. What's to stop us winning the Carling Cup, FA Cup or Uefa? Other teams around us have or have reached the final for the chance of winning them. Its more down to tactics, will to win etc - teams like Bury, Southend, Barnsley etc who cause giant killings against Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Mau Utd dont moan about having no money but still have their day in the sun against them. We're stronger than those teams and with a bit of luck of the draw get to the finals.
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That's true to a degree. The Southamptons and Portsmouths have gotten to finals in the recent past without major restructuring of their organisations, but they'll never sustain their challenge for silverware. They are flashes in the pan. We need to be building something more substantial than that.

kenada_blue said:
Those cups are there for the taking...we just never do. Thats down the management and tactics than anything else.
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I admire the feller, but hand on heart, Moyesie will never get us all the way in any tournament. He just doesn't value cup competitions (as proven again by that Fellaini incident) and, to be blunt, you have to have a bold manager with an eye for a match's development and Moyes is way too cautious and slow on the uptake.
 
davek said:
Expectation versus financial reality. It's actually healthy to see the debate still raging amongst Evertonians. I pessimistically thought that the market-led, cost-benefit analysis fan was winning the day - the ones happy to have a club treading water in competitive terms because the all important matter to them is backing the board's policy of prudence (aka zero investment plan). But a thread like this one sort of makes you think again.

As far as being a 'proper club' is concerned, that's all well and good, but the conundrum identified by kingjoleon means we need to get big money in and win something again sooner rather than later or else we'll be a proper minnow club, just like the Millwall's that look up to us now.
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We can still win things without financial clout. Portsmouth did it, Boro got to a Uefa cup final, Spurs won the Carling Cup and maybe on to the final again (they have finacial clout but arent your top 4 club), West Ham, Millwall, etc all reached cup finals in the modern era......

Winning the league you need money...winning a domestic trophy needs more than that IMO. It helps but luck, management, tactics etc all play a part in a cup run. But we're not the only club with those "we need to win more silverware arguement" argument - every team below us want the same.

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Well that's Moyes for you. But getting to those finals is a springboard. I'm sure our club would move on and and improve from a good Cup Final.

Look at Villa, 5 points from the top. I know it wont last but you never know....
 
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