Brownie
Player Valuation: £70m
Its not so much that i dont rate him in praticular mate, i dont rate any of our defenders at all this season - they have all been poor as a unit.
Thats what surprises me about people focussing on strikers etc, when quite clearly on average we are scoring two a game but conceading just as many. Our deficincey hasnt been in creating or putting away chances, but rather giving teams chances against us. I have decided not to be hasty in writing of any of our players at the back this season, as there are mitigating circmstances - injuries, lack of consistencey in partnerships and the whole team being less solid. But for me i cant remember a season under Moyes where teams are gaurenteed 5 -10 chances against us and the defence as a unit (and often times individualls playing there) have been culpable and i include Johnny in that.
Like i say - they have all been slated at one stage or another praticularly Distin and Yobo - which for me is a bit harsh given the context. Yet the fact remains despite the whole team being open and a marked change in our style of play, individually there have been hugh errors in defence and poor performences that can not be excused and i include Johnny in that. His displays have been more encourgaeing then others, but i have noticed times he has been indecisive of wheather to go to the ball or the man, or has been cuaght flat footed or wildly out of position - he has done a lot of positive things also yet there is definitely room for improvement in his game as a defender. It is important not to mask over these areas of improvement becuase of his attributes in distribution or his vision. Our clean sheet record this season speaks for itself and i dont think any of our defenders desreve a pat on the back to be honest.
Which brings me to the point of why i would like to see him in a midfeild slot. The whole team has been far to open this season the majority of the goals scored against us this season have been on the counter if you look at them. Why? Becuase of how we play really. In pocession at times we can have as many as 8 outfeild players in forward positions leaving a massive amount of space infront of our two centre backs as the last men, often the full backs are cuaght to far forward and it leaves our centre halfs with a decsion to make to stick or cover - this can often happen when they are out numbered.
The truth is we play better when we play with an anchor midfeilder to gaurd against the counter - Carsley - Neville -Heitinga. Moyes tried to play Rodwell there at the start of the season but it didnt really happen for the lad, nor do i think its his best position. That role gives the team balance and a solidity and makes us less vulnerable on the counter.
As effective as Carsley and Neville have been playing there Heitinga has something that neither had which is high quality in distribution, and vison, combined with a natural tenacity and talismanic leadership qualites. He could be the evolution to that role we have all craved since we first uttered the word "Carleys replacement". Like Fellaini last season you can see the potential in him and im convinced he can be become a high quality player in that position, rather then just being a good centre half - which on what i have seen so far is all i think he may be at centre half. He could be the lynchpin of our team i beleive for years to come there.
That said i still dont think he is 65% the player he is going to be, he still has bags of development and potential to tap into for me - but its there.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, we are probably just discussing different options as far as I can tell.
Personally if it was a choice of Heitinga or Fellaini playing defensive mid I would go with Fellaini every time simply because of his physicality. As hard as Heitinga is, he can be bypassed a lot more easily than Fellaini can, on the ground or in the air. Fellaini's distribution isn't bad either, granted he can't rake 60 yarders like Heitinga, but his brain is decent.
As you said maybe we could have Heitinga DM with Fellaini and Arteta ahead of him. For me that would be a waste of Fellaini, we've all seen how effective he can be in the holding position, I think he would drift in and out of games far too much if we gave him free roam like he had when he first came. You want to have him in the thick of things as much as possible, so put him where the ball is going to be and let him use his attributes. (Or convert him into a centre back, I almost suggested this the other day)
One thing I do entirely agree with is how weak we have been overall defensively this season, we've been shocking at times. My main point is that if we don't play Heitinga centre back, I don't want him replaced with a shithouse that can't pass a ball. If that means getting a foreigner who's unproven in this league then so be it. Ball playing centre backs are worth loads in my opinion, yet still clubs manage to sign some for peanuts.
Also agree about Yobo, I would rather have Yobo and Jagielka than Distin.
I really think at this stage we need to be spending a lot of money on one player rather than small amounts on a few. Whichever position it is Moyes decides he wants to strengthen, I just hope he signs someone good.








