The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[knowing your history]

What’s relegated the teams at the bottom is the goal difference. Nearly every season the teams with the worst goal differences are sure indicators of the ones that end up at the bottom. Even when Dyche left those teams had huge negative goal differences whilst we had a very good number of clean sheets. The quality of our defence, organisation, work ethic, set pieces, would have in my opinion comfortably seen us finish ahead of the three absolute shambles at the bottom now.

I'm sure they'd have been more draws under him but there wouldn't have been many wins either and ultimately that's the only currency that gets you safe by March/early April.

Today was very much a Dyche game/result. Scrappy goal, performance but organised and dug out a good away point. I really don't think he'd have won at Brighton or Palace though and in five away games Moyes has already got more away wins than Dyche managed in all of 2024.

He had won three premier league games in half a season when he was sacked let's remember. Luckily the standard at the bottom now is so poor you're not in the relegation zone winning so few games. Lampard had also won three games when he was sacked at a similar point in Jan 2023 but the situation was far worse then with the promoted teams far more competitive.

 

[knowing your history]

Wolves will be down there again next season if they sell Cunha and buy a duff replacement.

A poor start and Periera will probably be gone by October. They are that established prem club that seemed to be just stuck in a negative cycle selling at least one key player every summer and buying low key and cost replacements so can see them going down in next two seasons if a couple of the promoted clubs are competitive.

 

[windymiller]

Wolves will be down there again next season if they sell Cunha and buy a duff replacement.

A poor start and Periera will probably be gone by October. They are that established prem club that seemed to be just stuck in a negative cycle selling at least one key player every summer and buying low key and cost replacements so can see them going down in next two seasons if a couple of the promoted clubs are competitive.

Sounds familiar!

 

[West Side Charlie]

Wolves will be down there again next season if they sell Cunha and buy a duff replacement.

A poor start and Periera will probably be gone by October. They are that established prem club that seemed to be just stuck in a negative cycle selling at least one key player every summer and buying low key and cost replacements so can see them going down in next two seasons if a couple of the promoted clubs are competitive.

As long as they don't upset the scab 6, that's all that matters to the Premier League.

 

[edge]

Wolves will stay up.
Really can't see any of the bottom 3 putting a run together to overtake them.
Might get a bit nervous for them but they look to have enough to stay up.
They need a shift away from selling there best players every year, like us the last few years it starts to tell eventually with the quality on the pitch.

 

[knowing your history]

Sounds familiar!

This club have for now got over the worst. Not going down in 22/23 was a minor miracle imo, that was the season where this club should've been relegated with all that was happening on and off the pitch. Should build a statue of Brendan Rodgers in the vicinity of BMD!

Wolves don't have any stadium move to look for too and their ownership has basically admitted they'll continue selling key players and getting in low cost young replacements so they remain the established prem club who'll be most likely to be in relegation battles.

Palace an outsider if they sell Eze, Wharton and Guehi all in the same summer but Glasner is a good manager.

 

[knowing your history]

As long as they don't upset the scab 6, that's all that matters to the Premier League.

Who are the 6 now though as we've had Spurs and Man. United in the bottom half for months and decent chance to finish above one of them.

Newcastle finished 7th last season and could finish lower this year.

I think as regards next season the ideal outcome for this club is Brighton and Forest in the CL if it goes down to 5th and Bournemouth get Conference league.

Brighton when they played in Europa league went down from 6th to 11th and we've seen Newcastle and Villa drop off from playing in CL so I think Forest would be comfortable bottom half next season as not like Nuno even wants that big a squad to work with and they haven't had that many injuries to deal with this season.

I think the chances of 9th or 10th are looking reasonably competent at this point if there are surprise European qualifiers.

 

[windymiller]

This club have for now got over the worst. Not going down in 22/23 was a minor miracle imo, that was the season where this club should've been relegated with all that was happening on and off the pitch. Should build a statue of Brendan Rodgers in the vicinity of BMD!

Wolves don't have any stadium move to look for too and their ownership has basically admitted they'll continue selling key players and getting in low cost young replacements so they remain the established prem club who'll be most likely to be in relegation battles.

Palace an outsider if they sell Eze, Wharton and Guehi all in the same summer but Glasner is a good manager.

I certainly hope so but let's wait and see what happens in the summer before rushing to judgement on that. If we hang on to Branthwaite and sign half a dozen decent players then your on to something, if not.....

 

[Rita_Poon]

28 played, 33 points, 10 games left, 16 points clear of current 18th placed Ipswich on 17 points (also 28 played).

10 games won is 30 points, but that's unlikely to occur, they've won 3 all season. A rough guess says in about 5 games time we are officially guaranteed to stay up.

5 games time is city at Goodison on April 19th. So that small run at the end of the season (Ipswich H, Fulham A, Saints H) should be doable at a canter.

Hopefully Cal-Lewin and Ndiaye back and fit by then.

 

[OneTrueLegend]

Decent point last night, we didn’t play well but we are slowly getting to 40 points.
It feels like we are in a mini league now with West Ham, Spurs, Man Utd, the “battle for 13th”.
The sad thing for the competitive nature of the league is that wolves are now 6 points clear of the drop and with 10 games to go I can’t see Leicester or Ipswich getting 7 points more than Wolves

 

[Ring master]

Decent point last night, we didn’t play well but we are slowly getting to 40 points.
It feels like we are in a mini league now with West Ham, Spurs, Man Utd, the “battle for 13th”.
The sad thing for the competitive nature of the league is that wolves are now 6 points clear of the drop and with 10 games to go I can’t see Leicester or Ipswich getting 7 points more than Wolves

That's how i've seen it.we seem like we will finish between 13th to 16th i would think

 

[knowing your history]

I certainly hope so but let's wait and see what happens in the summer before rushing to judgement on that. If we hang on to Branthwaite and sign half a dozen decent players then your on to something, if not.....

I guarantee the club is now in a place where Harrison can just be sent back instead of being signed on loan every summer for "graft" and "depth."

He was o.k yesterday but we all know by now there's a limit in how high you can finish in the league with him as a regular starter and the results show it.

 

[knowing your history]

Decent point last night, we didn’t play well but we are slowly getting to 40 points.
It feels like we are in a mini league now with West Ham, Spurs, Man Utd, the “battle for 13th”.
The sad thing for the competitive nature of the league is that wolves are now 6 points clear of the drop and with 10 games to go I can’t see Leicester or Ipswich getting 7 points more than Wolves

The last chance for Ipswich is the start of April they play Wolves at home without Cunha. Win that and they might only be three points off them with still 6-7 games to play and Ipswich have a decent final three games, Brentford, Leicester and West Ham so three teams who won't have much to play for.

 

[Rita_Poon]

We finished last season in 15th place, on 40 points (+8 for the deductions thing).
Played 38 Won 13 Drawn 9 Lost 16 For 40 Against 51

So far this season we're
Played 28 Won 7 Drawn 12 Lost 9 For 31 Against 35 (33 points unimpeded currently by deduction)

I can't see us winning 6 out of 10 from here, but reckon we can and will surpass 40 points, and certainly outdo 40 goals scored. Would be a significant bonus to concede less than the 51 as well.

All that 'the table never lies' stuff. (even though 2023-24 it very much did).

 

[MikeH72]

The 3 that come up will go down again next season.

Best league in the world. AND ITS LIIIIVE