The Now-Irrelevant 2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)

[Socistep2]

Most people required of answers will throw a bit of waffle in, it's part of buying a bit of thinking time and closing down or cutting off follow up questions that you don't fancy answering.


I'm not sure it's entirely even handed to call Everton out as having an image and or perception problem, if I was in the mix for a move I'd be planting stories and winding up agents about a big wages move for myself to man utd. Players and especially agents are only out for one thing, cold hard cash - regardless of from who and how it's paid.

You cite fat sam, fat Rafael, fat frank and gravelly sean. Why not Walter, Howard, walker and the only manager I recall banning the media from the training ground Royle?
Villa were relegated 2015-16, they're in the CL final stages this season. You're only as good as your last game.

League finishing place (etc)...
This season tbc - Moyes/Dyche
15th ----------Dyche
17th ----------Dyche/Lampard
16 ------------benitez/Ferguson/Lampard
10 ------------Ancelotti
12 ------------Ancelotti/Ferguson/Silva
8 -------------Silva
8 -------------allardye/Unsworth/koeman
7 -------------koeman
11 ------------Unsworth/martinez
11 ------------martinez
5 -------------martinez
6 -------------Moyes
7
7
8 2009/10
5
5
6
11
4 2004/05
17
7 --------------Moyes ^^
15 ------------Moyes/Smith
16 ------------Smith
13 1999/00 --Smith
14 ------------Smith
17 ------------Kendall
15 ------------Royle/Watson
6 -------------Royle
15 ------------Royle/Walker
17-------------Gabriel/Kendall/Walker
13 1992/93 --Kendall

32 full seasons, into our 33rd. 14 top half finishes. 4 top quarter finishes. 6 bottom quarter finishes. Those bottom quarter finishes means alongside 3 relegated teams.

There's so many metrics to involve, net spend, best players sold, boardroom upheaval, Europe games, injuries, manager fall outs.

For completions sake... place 6 to place 15... = 22 times. (glad my maths equates here).

We can want a change of philosophy, we can want to alter the perceptions, but that's built on the pitch and delivered by performances and results.
The table never lies (except the west ham illegal players fiasco) (and the Sheffield United phantom goal fiasco).

God the 90s and early 00s were grim, apart from the brief Joe Royle spike, Moyes dragged us up to a consistently 5th-8th side but could never break the glass ceiling above, since then we've seen the decline under moshiri

Time for a rise upwards again

 

[marnie]

No, it wasn't that. I think you, like I missed it;



It's here, prior Man Utd I was referring to;

So I was right then and not just me on 5L of Greek box wine.

 

[canuckblue]

So I was right then and not just me on 5L of Greek box wine.

You cutting back for some reason?

 

[windymiller]

Hasn't he already done this

Mixed messaging, I think. He alludes to us being a big, ambitious club (see his comments comparing us with Brentford, for example) but then still talks about us not being safe yet. That is mathematically true but is practically not really the case.

The true test will be how he discusses our future once we are mathematically safe and, maybe more importantly, in the lead up to next season. If he still is talking about "40 points", I'll be disappointed.

 

[Goat]

Mixed messaging, I think. He alludes to us being a big, ambitious club (see his comments comparing us with Brentford, for example) but then still talks about us not being safe yet. That is mathematically true but is practically not really the case.

The true test will be how he discusses our future once we are mathematically safe and, maybe more importantly, in the lead up to next season. If he still is talking about "40 points", I'll be disappointed.

He did it with West Ham and Everton when they were finishing 7th.

He uses it to motivate his players, he's not looking to motivate the fans, the players get him results.

 

[marnie]

You cutting back for some reason?

Not a chance mate. Nine more weeks off and then 12 to 14 hour shifts 7 days a week for 6 months.Then I will be off it. Maybe I will extend a few weeks to watch us finish the season though. x

 

[windymiller]

He did it with West Ham and Everton when they were finishing 7th.

He uses it to motivate his players, he's not looking to motivate the fans, the players get him results.

Does it motivate the players, though? Maybe it's just me but if I'm constantly hearing that 40 points is the goal and then we'll see, I'd be thinking that reaching 40 points is job done, target reached. I think at some point we need to be moving away from that mindset but Moyes was still saying that when we were regularly finishing in the top 8 and I do think that can have a self-fulfilling effect. It was why I was luke warm at best (I'm lying, I was unhappy we re-signed Moyes) when Moyes returned and I'll hold my hands up, in the short term at least, I was wrong about the effect Moyes would have. My fear is that he returns to the low expectations dour Davey we had at the end of his first reign. Maybe without Kenwright we'll see a more ambitious Moyes. I certainly hope so.

 

[Tipp blue]

Who do people think has been the best team to come up from the championship over the years. IE Burnley, Luton, Leicester, Leeds, Ipswich etc. Some have put up a decent fight to stay up, Others havent

Luton were fantastic last year prime Barcelona they were, the Media loved them............................. Relegated

 

[canuckblue]

Not a chance mate. Nine more weeks off and then 12 to 14 hour shifts 7 days a week for 6 months.Then I will be off it. Maybe I will extend a few weeks to watch us finish the season though. x

Those are brutal hours. What will you be doing?

 

[marnie]

Those are brutal hours. What will you be doing?

6 months on 6 months off mate.I work in a Hotel for UK tourists 4 flight days a week with delays is a ball ache but I am used to it now.

 

[MikeH72]

Moyes will have us nowhere near a relegation battle next season.

Dyche would’ve made sure we were in one, and would’ve talked about it all summer to make sure we were fully aware that 17th was the best we could hope for, just like he did from day 1 of pre season last year. Levels.

 

[MikeH72]

but it's interesting to see the entirely different reactions to the same sort of comments from somebody people like as opposed to somebody they don't.

Yeah, one of those people is doing his job well and getting results and the other wasn’t. Why does this surprise you?

 

[canuckblue]

6 months on 6 months off mate.I work in a Hotel for UK tourists 4 flight days a week with delays is a ball ache but I am used to it now.

Must have taken some getting used to, more power to you.

 

[Lanolin]

Yeah, one of those people is doing his job well and getting results and the other wasn’t. Why does this surprise you?

I don't think that's relevant to the point at hand, they're two entirely different matters. It's something I've said for ages about managers/players/the board/other clubs etc, just criticise them for what they're doing wrong, as soon as you start just moaning about perfectly normal stuff that they're doing because you've decided not to like them the whole thing becomes a bit daft.

 

[mightymoyes]

Moyes will have us nowhere near a relegation battle next season.

Dyche would’ve made sure we were in one, and would’ve talked about it all summer to make sure we were fully aware that 17th was the best we could hope for, just like he did from day 1 of pre season last year. Levels.

only thing i'm worried about next season is how long it takes us to settle into the new stadium, hopefully we can hit the ground running