Current Affairs The next Tory (strong and stable) leader is Boris Johnson

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roydo said:
Maybe I am old fashioned, but why should it need a Government to stop parents making their kids fat?
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Government is responsible for the welfare of the people. The data proves that BOGOF offers etc. encourage purchasing of HFSS goods (fat, salt, sugar). Either children buying it with some spare school money or parents buying it as an easy treat, it then normalises children’s intake for the rest of their lives.

It’s like saying why should the government stop cigarette companies advertising on TV? Why should government make parents wear seatbelts? It is their duty to look after their people and lower healthcare costs. Multi buy offers and TV advertising are proven to be very detrimental to both.
 
bluelife said:
Government is responsible for the welfare of the people. The data proves that BOGOF offers etc. encourage purchasing of HFSS goods (fat, salt, sugar). Either children buying it with some spare school money or parents buying it as an easy treat, it then normalises children’s intake for the rest of their lives.

It’s like saying why should the government stop cigarette companies advertising on TV? Why should government make parents wear seatbelts? It is their duty to look after their people and lower healthcare costs. Multi buy offers and TV advertising are proven to be very detrimental to both.
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I think you missed the point I was trying to make, cos I dont disagree with any of ^^^^ that.

Using your example of smoking ad bans; before they were introduced, did parents give ciggies to their kids? Parents stuffing their kids full of crap is, to me, a similar "crime". Same parents most likely dont give their kids ciggies.

So maybe some parents do need to be told what to feed their kids, which to me, is odd.
 
roydo said:
I think you missed the point I was trying to make, cos I dont disagree with any of ^^^^ that.

Using your example of smoking ad bans; before they were introduced, did parents give ciggies to their kids? Parents stuffing their kids full of crap is, to me, a similar "crime". Same parents most likely dont give their kids ciggies.

So maybe some parents do need to be told what to feed their kids, which to me, is odd.
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It's all to do with habit. People are naturally susceptible to advertising - particularly advertising involving easy wins. The big corps play on that vulnerability. That's where the government should step in to reduce the awful health consequence, i.e cigarettes
 
bluelife said:
It's all to do with habit. People are naturally susceptible to advertising - particularly advertising involving easy wins. The big corps play on that vulnerability. That's where the government should step in to reduce the awful health consequence, i.e cigarettes
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A Government didnt need to tell me how to feed my kids when they were growing up. Nor do they need to tell me how to feed myself. Thats my point. If parents are so thick they will feed their kids on lard based burgers every day, well, they will continue to do so. As in, they dont only buy crap food on a BOGOF scheme, they do it anyrate.

Like I said, maybe I am old fashioned.
 
bluelife said:
It's all to do with habit. People are naturally susceptible to advertising - particularly advertising involving easy wins. The big corps play on that vulnerability. That's where the government should step in to reduce the awful health consequence, i.e cigarettes
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Comes down to education remember having to cook at school in the 80s and 90s every week every other term, until choices... My kids both cooked once all through school. Vocational Education like this has been pushed aside for academic pursuits think it was "calm down ching ching Gove when he headed up education". Fortunately for my kids they have parents whose first career was hospitality and cooking... And of course those "sure start" centres once upon a time would be able to step in and educate parents, again all gone. We reap what we sow, in this case nothing.
 
bluelife said:
Disgusting U turn re. junk food multibuys. Families are most vulnerable at this time. Adaptive goverment subsidises healthy food multibuys etc. Instead tories take the easy way out again, inviting another generation in to being obese.
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At least be honest, you’d slag him off for cost of living, then having reduced prices slag him off for reducing them…Boris can’t win with you lot……
 
bluelife said:
Government is responsible for the welfare of the people. The data proves that BOGOF offers etc. encourage purchasing of HFSS goods (fat, salt, sugar). Either children buying it with some spare school money or parents buying it as an easy treat, it then normalises children’s intake for the rest of their lives.

It’s like saying why should the government stop cigarette companies advertising on TV? Why should government make parents wear seatbelts? It is their duty to look after their people and lower healthcare costs. Multi buy offers and TV advertising are proven to be very detrimental to both.
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You can't have it both ways though. Literally every time I go into Tesco or Lidl the first thing I see is the discounted fruit and veg because it's on the end of the aisle right next to the front door. If people are as susceptible to cheap deals as you suggest then they'd be overdosing on cucumbers and broccoli.
 
roydo said:
Maybe I am old fashioned, but why should it need a Government to stop parents making their kids fat?
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bluelife said:
Government is responsible for the welfare of the people. The data proves that BOGOF offers etc. encourage purchasing of HFSS goods (fat, salt, sugar). Either children buying it with some spare school money or parents buying it as an easy treat, it then normalises children’s intake for the rest of their lives.

It’s like saying why should the government stop cigarette companies advertising on TV? Why should government make parents wear seatbelts? It is their duty to look after their people and lower healthcare costs. Multi buy offers and TV advertising are proven to be very detrimental to both.
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 Sometimes and only a few sometimes, Governments need to legislate for the greater good, seatbelts, drink driving etc, etc.
trouble is for a number of reason...and it cuts across party lines...they don't know when to stop.*

* and the counter argument could be that there ain't half some idiots about
 
roydo said:
I think you missed the point I was trying to make, cos I dont disagree with any of ^^^^ that.

Using your example of smoking ad bans; before they were introduced, did parents give ciggies to their kids? Parents stuffing their kids full of crap is, to me, a similar "crime". Same parents most likely dont give their kids ciggies.

So maybe some parents do need to be told what to feed their kids, which to me, is odd.
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Sadly, so many parents of this generation also had terrible upbringing, and this goes back quite a few generations. Hence the problems of obesity, Type 2 Diabetes, renal failure etc all of which are exacerbated or are caused by poor diet and lack of exercise.

The attitude of the Governments has been for decades to throw money at benefits and hope that it keeps things quiet.

I worked for 13 years as a Social Welfare Inspector, and it really was saddening to see the conditions in which families were living. Not from a poor level of welfare benefits, but from complete apathy to keeping their families well. Picture Onslow from Keeping Up Appearances. The Government answer was just to keep throwing more money at this significant section of our community rather than seek to really solve the core problems.

I am also uncomfortable with Nanny State mind you, wagging its finger, but the State could do more to help people to help themselves.
 
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