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[davek]

No... It's available out there but pretty sure it isn't on Hansard.View attachment 90837

Thanks. Is he (Bramley Moore) not just saying there that blockading African ports that export slaves makes the lives of those who would be enslaved worse because local chiefs (who were in the chain selling to European slavers) would bring down an even greater 'evil' upon them?

It looks that way.

I think that book is quoting from Hansard. The annotation suggests so (or maybe a Royal Commission).

 

[NeilA1878]

Thanks. Is he (Bramley Moore) not just saying there that blockading African ports that export slaves makes the lives of those who would be enslaved worse because local chiefs (who were in the chain selling to European slavers) would bring down an even greater 'evil' upon them?

It looks that way.

I think that book is quoting from Hansard. The annotation suggests so (or maybe a Royal Commission).

Probably. This is the document it is from... https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/008431104

 

[tsubaki]

Just been doing a quick googling and there is a mention in a book about Victorian Lincoln (where Bramley-Moore was MP in the 1860s) that he was then alleged to have actually owned slaves in Brazil (where he had long standing business interests):

Victorian Lincoln

Drawing from a wide range of local sources, Sir Francis describes Lincoln as it underwent major change: with the advent of the railways, this ancient cathedral city, hitherto predominantly a market centre, became an industrial city. Sir Francis discusses all aspects of life in the Victorian...

books.google.co.uk

(scroll up to the middle of page 33 for the start of the story)

 

[davek]

Just been doing a quick googling and there is a mention in a book about Victorian Lincoln (where Bramley-Moore was MP in the 1860s) that he was then alleged to have actually owned slaves in Brazil (where he had long standing business interests):

Victorian Lincoln

Drawing from a wide range of local sources, Sir Francis describes Lincoln as it underwent major change: with the advent of the railways, this ancient cathedral city, hitherto predominantly a market centre, became an industrial city. Sir Francis discusses all aspects of life in the Victorian...

books.google.co.uk

(scroll up to the middle of page 33 for the start of the story)

That's pretty strong circumstantial evidence, taken in conjunction with his involvement lobbying for the removal of duties on coffee and sugar (and the Select Committee report brought by @NeilA1878 concerning Bramley Moores' testimony...which appears to be stating that slaves faced a worse fate staying in Africa than if they'd been allowed to be exported to Brazil or the Caribbean).

I've seen enough. Bramley Moore was a scumbag and we need to distance ourselves from his name.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

I've seen enough. Bramley Moore was a scumbag and we need to distance ourselves from his name.

I would not worry, what has he got to do with Everton? Nothing.

We buy/lease the dock that bore his name, and build a stadium on it. I do not see the problem.

 

[davek]

I would not worry, what has he got to do with Everton? Nothing.

We buy/lease the dock that bore his name, and build a stadium on it. I do not see the problem.

The problem is that the club are still using his name in media updates on the proposed stadium - and it's plastered all over the official webpage for the stadium.

We have it in our power to alter that and expunge his name.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

The problem is that the club are still using his name in media updates on the proposed stadium - and it's plastered all over the official webpage for the stadium.

We have it in our power to alter that and expunge his name.

OK yes I see your point.

 

[tsubaki]

The problem is that the club are still using his name in media updates on the proposed stadium - and it's plastered all over the official webpage for the stadium.

We have it in our power to alter that and expunge his name.

Just need to say it’s being built at BMD but it won’t be called that afterwards.

 

[blulouie]

Just need to say it’s being built at BMD but it won’t be called that afterwards.

Exactly

When Arsenel moved to Ashburton Grove from Highbury that was changed instantly to The Emirates Stadium.
Same will go for our new stadium.

 

[NeilA1878]

The problem is that the club are still using his name in media updates on the proposed stadium - and it's plastered all over the official webpage for the stadium.

We have it in our power to alter that and expunge his name.

I have no problem with this. It will certainly make it easier for me to call the stadium by its sponsors name rather than the name of the dock.

They certainly have a duty to tell a proper detailed story about it at the new stadium... about his history and who he was.

 

[Tipp blue]

Turns out that prince Rupert was a sponsor of a company that engaged in slave trading, suggestions for a new crest please, and I'm assuming those on here that are pro monument to slavery distraction will be down to the tower later with a JCB to tear it down? I think people would be very surprised by how many things around Britain would have links to slavery.

Royal African Company: How the Stuarts Birthed Britain’s Slave Trade | All About History

Charles II and James, Duke of York founded a trading company that lasted a mere 35 years but left a shocking legacy

www.historyanswers.co.uk

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Turns out that prince Rupert was a sponsor of a company that engaged in slave trading, suggestions for a new crest please, and I'm assuming those on here that are pro monument to slavery distraction will be down to the tower later with a JCB to tear it down? I think people would be very surprised by how many things around Britain would have links to slavery.

Royal African Company: How the Stuarts Birthed Britain’s Slave Trade | All About History

Charles II and James, Duke of York founded a trading company that lasted a mere 35 years but left a shocking legacy

www.historyanswers.co.uk

The tower isn't a statue of Prince Rupert, nor is the name anything other than a nickname. The club crest doesn't mention Prince Rupert. Not the same thing at all.

 

[Tipp blue]

The tower isn't a statue of Prince Rupert, nor is the name anything other than a nickname. The club crest doesn't mention Prince Rupert. Not the same thing at all.

Doesn't need to be a statue, the penny lane street signs were vandalized. People can be militantly against something to the point where they destroy things or support the destruction of things.. until it's something that's important to them and they'll come up with a reason why it's not the same thing...

 

[Harryflashman]

The tower isn't a statue of Prince Rupert, nor is the name anything other than a nickname. The club crest doesn't mention Prince Rupert. Not the same thing at all.

exactly this it’s a nickname isn’t it ? it’s like suggesting poverty campaigners will ask for change because we were once called the ‘Mersey millionaires ‘

 

[tsubaki]

exactly this it’s a nickname isn’t it ? it’s like suggesting poverty campaigners will ask for change because we were once called the ‘Mersey millionaires ‘

TBF Kenwright did already deal with that by giving the Arteta money to the revolutionaries