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[Tipp blue]

You're equating memorial symbols of the holocaust with statues celebrating slave traders.

How do you think Jews would feel if statues of Hitler were up everywhere?

Are the statues celebrating slave traders? I highly doubt any of these statues were erected in remembrance to outstanding achievements and commitment to trading slaves. Like I said before most historical statues are erected to remember people who did good for a certain area, and a lot of those people did this good while doing bad elsewhere.

 

[Harryflashman]

So would you agree with me, if me an Irish person, who's country and people in it were as you put it "slaughtered en mass" by British government, monarchs and army over hundreds of years, decided that any symbol of Irish oppression in the UK should be removed? If the people of the world decided that all symbols of oppression and bad things from history should be removed then there'd be very little of anything historical left anywhere.

you mean like the queen victoria statue ?

 

[Tipp blue]

I'm Irish and I would stand balls naked singing 'Come Out Ye Black And Tans' if it meant Cromwell statues were taken down.

The entire British empire was built on oppression and killings of people's from all over the world, if all aspects of oppression were to be removed there'd be little of anything historical left in Britain. What's happening here is mob mentality is being left to rule just one part of history, while people are forgetting that all British military Heros, leaders and most of their monarchs have the blood of people's from all over the world in their hands.

 

[Billy Dean]

Are the statues celebrating slave traders? I highly doubt any of these statues were erected in remembrance to outstanding achievements and commitment to trading slaves. Like I said before most historical statues are erected to remember people who did good for a certain area, and a lot of those people did this good while doing bad elsewhere.

We should lash up some statues of Hitler and Stalin then while we're at it.

 

[Papa Shango]

Are the statues celebrating slave traders? I highly doubt any of these statues were erected in remembrance to outstanding achievements and commitment to trading slaves. Like I said before most historical statues are erected to remember people who did good for a certain area, and a lot of those people did this good while doing bad elsewhere.

Even histories greatest monsters (Hitler, Pot, Stalin, Gerrard etc) did some good at some point.

Statues being taken down is not the end of the world and people saying "what about" to statues/monuments that will obviously not be taken down are mad.

Nelsons column wont come down for example as it is a historic monument and a landmark. Hardians Wall wont come down because 1, its a wall, and 2, its a world heritage site.

Taking some statue down that my look half decent but holds no real cultural significance is not the end of the world. The only person who should be upset is the person who sculpted it.

 

[Tipp blue]

you mean like the queen victoria statue ?

Any statues that the person it commemorates gas Irish blood on their hands. Victoria included, Cromwell, Drake and many others.

 

[Tubey]

What we're witnessing right now is cultural vandalism. The modern day equivalent of book burning.

It's sickening. A blatant attempt to rewrite history by those too weak to acknowledge and learn from it. Perpetually offended idiots.

 

[Papa Shango]

What we're witnessing right now is cultural vandalism. The modern day equivalent of book burning.

It's sickening. A blatant attempt to rewrite history by those too weak to acknowledge and learn from it. Perpetually offended idiots.

It's really not.

It's removing a couple of statues. The history still exists, the statues that hold cultural significance will no doubt remain.

 

[Prevenger17]

What we're witnessing right now is cultural vandalism. The modern day equivalent of book burning.

It's sickening. A blatant attempt to rewrite history by those too weak to acknowledge and learn from it. Perpetually offended idiots.

I wouldn't go that far tbf. But I don't see the point of it myself

 

[Tubey]

It's really not.

It's removing a couple of statues. The history still exists, the statues that hold cultural significance will no doubt remain.

The ones that hold cultural significance only by YOUR parameters. Just like how certain books were OK but others were burned.

 

[coollino]

The ones that hold cultural significance only by YOUR parameters. Just like how certain books were OK but others were burned.

Why are you still obsessed with burning books? Can you not differentiate a statue coming down from a burning of a book?

 

[Tubey]

Why are you still obsessed with burning books? Can you not differentiate a statue coming down from a burning of a book?

No, none whatsoever. Both have the same aim.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

What we're witnessing right now is cultural vandalism. The modern day equivalent of book burning.

It's sickening. A blatant attempt to rewrite history by those too weak to acknowledge and learn from it. Perpetually offended idiots.

Only the vast majority of people in this country now know more about the Bristol slave trade and the part in that Colston played, than they ever did before his statue got lobbed in the drink. But yeah it’s akin to book burning or something, most of the certain sorts who are bleating about it didn’t even know a thing about him until this week, yet are trying to claim that history is somehow being rewritten and it’s ‘cultural vandalism’.

If you’re pretending to not understand why people in that City were offended by seeing the statue of that fella, and had been raising it as an issue locally for 30 years, then that’s your choice. But maybe just ask yourself why the council were blocked from adding a second plaque to that statue, as recent as 2018, explaining his background in the slave trade, which they proposed as a compromise between those demanding its removal and those who argued the converse.

 

[Tipp blue]

It's really not.

It's removing a couple of statues. The history still exists, the statues that hold cultural significance will no doubt remain.

It's not just removing a couple of statues is it? It's already moved on to removing satire (little Britain) from streaming sites, gone with the wind has been removed from HBO.

 

[coollino]

No, none whatsoever. Both have the same aim.

So, burning a book in the 1940's is the same as taking down a statue in 2020?