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Bruce Wayne said:
Seems pretty futile to be honest. You talked about the era in which the welfare state was created, and indeed, it was created in an era where life expectancy was 65 rather than the 81 it is today. It was created in an era where you had roughly 6 working people for every retiree, versus the ~3 you have today. Now, of course, we could import working people from abroad, but I suspect you're against that, yet don't appear to want well-off pensioners to give up state handouts they don't need, or indeed raise the state retirement age so that it's more in keeping with rises in life expectancy, which will never happen precisely because older people vote.
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Still doesn't answer the put-down you originally posted, Bruce...

I talked about working in the welfare state from the inside, and what I saw in real terms. Can you call on the same experience, Bruce?

And what does raising the state retirement age do in one fell swoop? Post-blocks jobs for youngsters coming into the employment market for the first time. Yeah, let's have people working until they're 70 and have some young kid on the dole instead...

Sometimes, Bruce, I do think you are somewhat divorced from reality...

Anyway, I'm off to spank my plank for the night with a whole load of other musos. Back after midnight (could be a song title in that somewhere lol ;)).
 
Old Blue 2 said:
Still doesn't answer the put-down you originally posted, Bruce...

I talked about working in the welfare state from the inside, and what I saw in real terms. Can you call on the same experience, Bruce?

And what does raising the state retirement age do in one fell swoop? Post-blocks jobs for youngsters coming into the employment market for the first time. Yeah, let's have people working until they're 70 and have some young kid on the dole instead...

Sometimes, Bruce, I do think you are somewhat divorced from reality...

Anyway, I'm off to spank my plank for the night with a whole load of other musos. Back after midnight (could be a song title in that somewhere lol ;)).
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Lump of jobs fallacy
 
orly said:
He's making the critical error of "I've experienced it, so I understand it".
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And the converse to the above (if the above is not correct) is: 'I haven't experience it, so I understand it'. Long may you, Bruce, and anyone else who thinks the above is a critical error, continue in cloud-cuckoo land. Because keeping a swathe of the population working until age 70 means another swathe of the population will continue unemployed...
 
I see Uncle Joe is after the Walton constituency job.



£500M worth of cuts implemented. Why on earth wouldn't the LP leadership and then the people of Walton want to reward that?
 
davek said:
I see Uncle Joe is after the Walton constituency job.



£500M worth of cuts implemented. Why on earth wouldn't the LP leadership and then the people of Walton want to reward that?
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To be fair it is pretty impossible for councils not to cut these days due to the decrease in government funding
 
JonS said:
To be fair it is pretty impossible for councils not to cut these days due to the decrease in government funding
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Careerist and lifelong witch-hunter of socialists who did the Tory's dirty work for them.

Hopefully the LP leadership, who he doesn't support, will refuse to put his name on the list of candidates.
 
Interesting piece on Tony Blair in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bour-can-win-andrew-rawnsley-brexit-election?

I know you guys love to hate him but I think there is definitely a British mentality of wanting to see a winner fail. The Labour party should be grateful to someone who won 3 GEs. If there hadn't been so much infighting between the Brownites and Blarites and they had kept on with a progressive Labour party they might not be up shh creek without a paddle like they are now.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Interesting piece on Tony Blair in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bour-can-win-andrew-rawnsley-brexit-election?

I know you guys love to hate him but I think there is definitely a British mentality of wanting to see a winner fail. The Labour party should be grateful to someone who won 3 GEs. If there hadn't been so much infighting between the Brownites and Blarites and they had kept on with a progressive Labour party they might not be up shh creek without a paddle like they are now.
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The maddening thing about that piece is that Rawnsley himself wrote at least two books about what went on under Blair's and Brown's government. He knows it wasn't a halcyon time of achievement where everything got better for everyone, until Saint Tony was betrayed by his brother and cast out. He also knows why Blair is doing this now (though has been pointed out before, every time he does intervene against Corbyn, Corbyn's numbers go up), which might perhaps be a bigger story than "Tony doesn't like Jeremy, here is why you should agree with him".
 
The binman chronicles said:
Interesting piece on Tony Blair in the Guardian.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bour-can-win-andrew-rawnsley-brexit-election?
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"One school of thought about Labour’s predicament says that it’s not just the Corbyn problem. It’s also down to the legacy of Blair. "

Ain't that the truth. There's great resistance to voting because of the Blair years. He will prove to be the millstone around Labour's neck that Thatcher was to the Tories for 20 years.
 
Labour got ripped by piers this morning. They make it hard for themselves by not answering questions about trident.
 
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