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[Bruce Wayne]

Yes if its too dear to live in London you move around I did it four times read my post Bruce..........
you follow the work, and money.........

I have moved for work Joe, that's why I'm where I am I also do work with organisations around the world to try and make ends meet, including at the moment in Germany, Israel, the US, Ireland and Belgium. I will say however that the coffee in Belgium is bloody amazing.

yes .....average house prices were 8,500 I picked a run down one done up for £6500 it was nil income for years bruce and I had to work a 7 day week.........

Ok, so your annual salary was 74% of the deposit on your house. The average annual salary in London is 13%. I'm sure you can appreciate that's quite a difference.

 

[Number_25]

I have moved for work Joe, that's why I'm where I am



Ok, so your annual salary was 74% of the deposit on your house. The average annual salary in London is 13%. I'm sure you can appreciate that's quite a difference.

It's not even a London centric issue, I know of people in Derby, Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester who are spending a silly amount on private renting.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's not even a London centric issue, I know of people in Derby, Liverpool, Glasgow and Manchester who are spending a silly amount on private renting.

Aye, I'm sure the picture is poor across the country, I only quoted London as it's an area I know.

 

[Number_25]

Aye, I'm sure the picture is poor across the country, I only quoted London as it's an area I know.

I don't think people quite understand just how bad it is for a lot of people right now.

One of my best friends back at home (the Valleys), works a zero hours contract. He buses in everyday (£5 return), works two hours unloading lorries, and then goes home. He can't afford to move out, and he lacks any type of qualifications to move into a profession that pays better.

 

[Joey66]

I have moved for work Joe, that's why I'm where I am



Ok, so your annual salary was 74% of the deposit on your house. The average annual salary in London is 13%. I'm sure you can appreciate that's quite a difference.

I would never have looked for a Job in the capital bruce as I could not afford it- applied for promotions all over the place .....
Tell me what young couples now would make the sacrifices I posted to get on the housing ladder?...........
No help to buy schemes then - I did state the disadvantage now is no job security as it was in my day.......
I would advise any new buyer not to buy a new house look for a 1940,s one which is structurally sound and start from there better built and more character -I started in a terraced house etc - once on the housing ladder its still hard as its only a roof over your head - if you want to improve its swapping a unit for a slightly better unit......
Areas play a big part in house prices quoting London as it has always been the expensive even in my days

 

[Number_25]

Christ, when they got rid of EMA I had to beg family friends for bus money to go to college - if it wasn't for them, I'd be in the exact same position as he is.

 

[Joey66]

I don't think people quite understand just how bad it is for a lot of people right now.

One of my best friends back at home (the Valleys), works a zero hours contract. He buses in everyday (£5 return), works two hours unloading lorries, and then goes home. He can't afford to move out, and he lacks any type of qualifications to move into a profession that pays better.

There are bargains out there......still

 

[Number_25]

There are bargains out there......still

£5 * 6 = £30 for his bus tickets.
(£7.83 * 2) * 6 = £93.96 wage.

£64 a week to live off of.

No chance renting anything at that price mate.

 

[degsy]

I think mindsets are shifting on that front.



Did you read my response to you Joe?

I don't know how old you are or the last time you went for a job, but ageism is alive and well out there and showing no signs of diminishing. I was active in the job market at 60+ and lost count of the short lists of two I got down to.
I was finally hired by a man of near my own age and 'let go' by his younger replacement 30 months later...but at nearly 64 I wasn't arse any more.
I took them to court got a few bob, nothing major, but...and this is from the court, due to my age they would not make the usual proviso that, if i wished, they should re-employ me.

 

[Number_25]

I don't know how old you are or the last time you went for a job, but ageism is alive and well out there and showing no signs of diminishing. I was active in the job market at 60+ and lost count of the short lists of two I got down to.
I was finally hired by a man of near my own age and 'let go' by his younger replacement 30 months later...but at nearly 64 I wasn't arse any more.
I took them to court got a few bob, nothing major, but...and this is from the court, due to my age they would not make the usual proviso that, if i wished, they should re-employ me.

That's appalling.

I know Unison have started directly asking older workers about their circumstances as they think agisim in the workplace is a far bigger problem than the statistics let on.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I would never have looked for a Job in the capital bruce as I could not afford it- applied for promotions all over the place .....
Tell me what young couples now would make the sacrifices I posted to get on the housing ladder?...........
No help to buy schemes then - I did state the disadvantage now is no job security as it was in my day.......
I would advise any new buyer not to buy a new house look for a 1940,s one which is structurally sound and start from there better built and more character -I started in a terraced house etc - once on the housing ladder its still hard as its only a roof over your head - if you want to improve its swapping a unit for a slightly better unit......
Areas play a big part in house prices quoting London as it has always been the expensive even in my days

I've played devil's advocate Joe. This property is available for £250,000 - https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-53140950.html - so using my figures from earlier a person on an average income would need a deposit of £110,000, or roughly 3 years their income. So even living in the crappiest of places is still roughly 3x as hard as it was when you bought your house, so you'll have to forgive us if we take your "kids now don't know how to make sacrifices like we did" with a massive dollop of salt.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't know how old you are or the last time you went for a job, but ageism is alive and well out there and showing no signs of diminishing. I was active in the job market at 60+ and lost count of the short lists of two I got down to.
I was finally hired by a man of near my own age and 'let go' by his younger replacement 30 months later...but at nearly 64 I wasn't arse any more.
I took them to court got a few bob, nothing major, but...and this is from the court, due to my age they would not make the usual proviso that, if i wished, they should re-employ me.

For sure, I can't speak for every workplace, town or indeed sector, and I don't doubt that ageism still very much exists. All I'm saying is that there is a growing appreciation of the skills, knowledge and experience of older workers, especially with so many baby boomers entering retirement and taking all of those skills and experiences with them. It's quite common (albeit only in my office based world) for retirees to be hired back as consultants on a project-by-project basis, with sites like Your Encore set up to enable that.

 

[Joey66]

I've played devil's advocate Joe. This property is available for £250,000 - https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-53140950.html - so using my figures from earlier a person on an average income would need a deposit of £110,000, or roughly 3 years their income. So even living in the crappiest of places is still roughly 3x as hard as it was when you bought your house, so you'll have to forgive us if we take your "kids now don't know how to make sacrifices like we did" with a massive dollop of salt.

You are talking about the area you live in Bruce - no need to get bitter it is as hard now as when I was young perhaps harder as no job security - your dollop of salt is a crude remark by the way.......
you are comparing the highest cost of a house in the UK.......
The biggest sin was selling council houses off at a massive discount that has been the biggest problem in housing imo.... It still carries on today....... under both governments .... Labour never once reversed it when in power or gave the Unions the power back.......
By the way I would never advise anyone to buy a newly built property.........

 

[Joey66]

£5 * 6 = £30 for his bus tickets.
(£7.83 * 2) * 6 = £93.96 wage.

£64 a week to live off of.

No chance renting anything at that price mate.

I understand your plight , but once you get on the employment ladder you may be in a position to get savings.....also move to areas were property is cheaper?

 

[Number_25]

The biggest sin was selling council houses off at a massive discount that has been the biggest problem in housing imo.... It still carries on today....... under both governments .... Labour never once reversed it when in power or gave the Unions the power back.......

I find it miraculous that you're echoing the Labour manifesto, and yet are so resentful of the only politician that is able and willing to implement it.