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[Blues Harp]

There is a rather large difference in the Tory Party and the Labour party, as they stand. It is strange to think otherwise.

The only transformation of the kind you want happens if Starmer's Labour get in power. That is the bottom line.

Sorry my friend but thats a very low bar to set...are you in the Home Office? I know you are not allowed to criticise the government while "in harness" . Never stopped me when I worked in various civil service depts. I am still alive...

 

[Tubey]

As I said, I'm waiting to see how much he deviates from the last two LP manifestos, something he said when he was contesting the leadership he wouldn't do.

If he does deviate a lot from it, what is the point of supporting his version of the LP?

It's called not letting perfect be the enemy of good.

The overall point is electability and having Labour be in power so they can do some good instead of eternally protesting from the side lines due to being totally unelectable.

 

[davek]

It's called not letting perfect be the enemy of good.

The overall point is electability and having Labour be in power so they can do some good instead of eternally protesting from the side lines due to being totally unelectable.

"Some good".

We dont need some good, we need a root and branch change to the way things have been done, not some finance capital puppet like Starmer who wants to keep the game in play just so he can get elected and have his time as PM.

We've done Blairism. He can eff off if he wants to abandon the last couple of LP manifestos...which he will.

 

[Tubey]

"Some good".

We dont need some good, we need a root and branch change to the way things have been done, not some finance capital puppet like Starmer who wants to keep the game in play just so he can get elected and have his time as PM.

We've done Blairism. He can eff off if he wants to abandon the last couple of LP manifestos...which he will.

Yeah that was tried though and resulted in two lost elections, even when given every chance with Theresa May attacking her own support base.

You have to face political reality - the UK isn't going to vote for a radical left wing government. If you want to shift the political landscape you need a foothold first that's electoral acceptable. You have the far right of the Tories or centre left of Starmer - take your realistic pick.

 

[davek]

Yeah that was tried though and resulted in two lost elections, even when given every chance with Theresa May attacking her own support base.

You have to face political reality - the UK isn't going to vote for a radical left wing government. If you want to shift the political landscape you need a foothold first that's electoral acceptable. You have the far right of the Tories or centre left of Starmer - take your realistic pick.

I'm not going round in circles on that one again....

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[Tubey]

I'm not going round in circles on that one again....

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Whatever helps you sleep at night mate. I don't know if you ever looked at Corbyn's approval ratings but they weren't pretty - he was a massive factor for me and everyone I know.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

Hey you guys you must remember the establishment and the tories especially have their classic con trick, divide and conquer the left /right and they are happy , the top 5 per cent will be laughing at the cannon fodder that is the working people

 

[anxiouswarrior]

You will only change the system when you really challenge it

 

[Hickson9]

Sorry my friend but thats a very low bar to set...are you in the Home Office? I know you are not allowed to criticise the government while "in harness" . Never stopped me when I worked in various civil service depts. I am still alive...

What's a low bar?

Thankfully I've never worked at the Home Office. My friends who have say it is a rather awful working environment.

And I criticise the Government all the time on here.

 

[davek]

Listening to this LP spokesman on Newsnight, Wes Streeting. An utter Blairite balloon spouting support for the Tory murderers' plan of action.

Starmer - how could the LP membership fall asleep at the wheel to allow that Establishment scumbag to seize control for the neo-cons? Shame on anyone who voted for Starmer in that leadership election. You have a lot to answer for.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Listening to this LP spokesman on Newsnight, Wes Streeting. An utter Blairite balloon spouting support for the Tory murderers' plan of action.

Starmer - how could the LP membership fall asleep at the wheel to allow that Establishment scumbag to seize control for the neo-cons? Shame on anyone who voted for Starmer in that leadership election. You have a lot to answer for.

I would dare to suggest that the vast majority of the UK population are moderate/centrist in their views and not what this same cohort would view as radicals. It is one of the reasons that I believe that Starmer has a good chance of winning the next GE. He doesn't have the whiff of crackpot about him.

 

[davek]

I would dare to suggest that the vast majority of the UK population are moderate/centrist in their views and not what this same cohort would view as radicals. It is one of the reasons that I believe that Starmer has a good chance of winning the next GE. He doesn't have the whiff of crackpot about him.

He doesn't have the whiff of socialism about him, that's for sure. A draconian former DPP, an Establishment figure who is controlled by hedge funds.

 

[davek]

I stand to be corrected on this, but as far as I know no front bench Labour figure picked up on or condemned the failure of that Tory get Sunak to find cash for the care home sector while he was busy throwing money at infection incubators to entice people to eat their garabage and drink their swill. 17,000 people killed in care homes officially. Loads of handwringing but no cash. And Starmer's Labour have remained quiet on it. Shameful.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

He doesn't have the whiff of socialism about him, that's for sure. A draconian former DPP, an Establishment figure who is controlled by hedge funds.

No, a lifelong socialist and human rights advocate. It feels like the problem you have is that he is not Momentum but let us be honest, Momentum is not Labour. I like many would/will be happy to see Momentum pushed back to their natural parties or have the courage to stand alone as the Momentum party.

I suppose he was chosen and agreed to be the editor of the left-wing Socialist Alternatives magazine as some sort of evil master plan to control Labour in the future

 

[davek]

No, a lifelong socialist and human rights advocate. It feels like the problem you have is that he is not Momentum but let us be honest, Momentum is not Labour. I like many would/will be happy to see Momentum pushed back to their natural parties or have the courage to stand alone as the Momentum party.

I suppose he was chosen and agreed to be the editor of the left-wing Socialist Alternatives magazine as some sort of evil master plan to control Labour in the future

Judge what he does, not who he associates with to progress his career.

A DPP who backed up state repression; a LP leader who is currently kow-towing to finance houses and offering support to the Johnson murder gang, and attacking left wingers in the LP.

He's a neo-liberal scumbag.