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Starmer will get it, he's the most PM looking material in the party, he's a well respected lawyer, so can put points across and argue, he'd make mincemeat of Johnson at PMQ's.

Only thing about Starmer is he's a proper centre left Tony Blair type, and I like the Labour party a little more left then that, but he would give the party what they have been looking for since Blair, someone who can definitely win an election.

We haven't seen enough of him yet but I think he needs to grow a lot to become electable as PM. How he manages both sides of the party will be crucial. If he has any sense, it'll be a balanced shadow cabinet with a decent amount of northern MPs (if we have any left).
 
Starmer will get it, he's the most PM looking material in the party, he's a well respected lawyer, so can put points across and argue, he'd make mincemeat of Johnson at PMQ's.

Only thing about Starmer is he's a proper centre left Tony Blair type, and I like the Labour party a little more left than that, but he would give the party what they have been looking for since Blair, someone who can definitely win an election.

The membership won't vote him in for that reason.
 
This I dont get,the clown these people have just voted in has called the working class feckless,lazy,drunken drug users,called single mothers and their children thick,insulted numerous minorities and yet its Anon on twitter who caused them to change parties
You don't have to understand it mate, but if you want to ever see Labour win an election again you need to accept it.

People just tend to be much more hurt by "Anon" on twitter or elsewhere personally attacking them and calling them every name under the sun over a differing political opinion then they're by Boris Johnson making an offhand nasty but vague comment about a certain category of people that they might fit into. They'll remember the former long after they've forgotten the latter. That's just the way it is.
 
You don't have to understand it mate, but if you want to ever see Labour win an election again you need to accept it.

People just tend to be much more hurt by "Anon" on twitter or elsewhere personally attacking them and calling them every name under the sun over a differing political opinion then they're by Boris Johnson making an offhand nasty but vague comment about a certain category of people that they might fit into. They'll remember the former long after they've forgotten the latter. That's just the way it is.
Think we will have to agree to disagree there mate,dont theres more than that being responsible for certainly traditional labour areas changing so much,a lot of it is down to immigration or the myth that immigration is the cause of those areas problems,Labour are painted as an open door political group
 
I just find the idea that Corbyn and only Corbyn is to blame for what happened in those towns on Thursday night ridiculous.

Well as someone who lives in one of those towns, I can assure you that for the majority of people I have talked to he was wasn't the main reason.
Usual caveat applies regarding sample size, I didn't stand in the town centre taking a survey.
 
rightly or wrongly he is the archetypal remainer who ignores democracy.

I doubt in 5 years this will be a thing. I would anticipate it would be more along the lines of how much the Conservatives do for all the places that 'lent' their votes, if the people see good improvements in the NHS, local infrastructure, crime falling, etc then the Conservatives might get the votes again.

On the other hand if they don't look after these folks, then its guaranteed that any half decent labour party will get all these voters back, no matter what the leaders stance was on Brexit.

Its a once in a lifetime chance that the Conservatives have stolen the labour votes, I suspect it now depends how much they do to keep that support.

All the Political Parties said the rest of the country had been left behind, dead right, now lets see what this lot are going to do about it.

 
Anyone who tries to tell you "just do this and we'll storm it" deserves a slap as far as I'm concerned.
Going to be a long road back mate,
New leader only part of it.
need to sharpen up all around in the quest for power,
Long hard look at why ,northern , scots and Welsh people all jumped ship.
Saying that how far out were people saying Corbyn , Abbott , ect were a liability, even before that Miliband same story same outcome.
Nobody took a blind bit of notice
The anti semitism thing needs dealing with very quickly.
They had ample time to get to grips with that well before the election
The amount of spending announcements was mind blowing, I agreed with quite a bit of it but how many did we really need.
Every other day it was something else , should have just went on about 3 or 4 core issues and gone for it every chance they got.
Who ever thought up the brexit stance needs throwing in the bin, they alienated a huge number of people in the run up and that was a vote/seat loser in the GE.
Should spend a few years getting to grips with why vast amounts of people dont feel engaged by the party, even myself I was just voting against the tories nothing
Much else I didn't have much faith in the front bench. Who in the main were as alien to me as most of the Tories,
I know others I have spoken to have said the same .
They need to get people to believe they are not an open door party , a lot within the party might not like what they hear on the doorstep, but it's there people dont want it when it comes to the ballot box.
I listened to Abbott on tv going on about it the other week I couldn't believe what I was hearing two weeks out .
it's at the very heart of the party which needs looking at.
People should feel they are getting a party that will give them stability in the modern world, jobs housing ect and less grand standing on Brexit ect.
Its seen as a London /Uni centric party now rightly or wrongly.,
London isnt the rest of the UK
It's as different as say Munich to most people in the likes of Burnley ect, thinks different acts different has different values as well , they need to feel included and to feel valued not just a safe vote and put back in the box.till the next election.
This GE has ended that for ever.
To be honest mate I dont think in its present form it's in any way shape or form electable for the foreseeable future sadly.
I dont see any easy fix to get the soul of the party in line with the voters who have turned there back on labour.
That's the last three GE that any even half decent opposition should have walked.
They have let the county and the working class down by sticking with the Corbyn project and weakened the party while doing it, havnt heard anything to say they have learned anything to say it will change.
Johnson just said get Brexit done like a parrot, in fact I think a parrot could have won this election for the tories , he hid phones and hid in freezers bonked yanks , and won without breaking sweat that's how easy it was for him.
They have good people labour on the ground enthusiastic, engaged and putting in the efford , they deserve better, lions led by donkeys. Springs to mind.
Hopefully there are the people within that group with the talent to sort it all out, they deserve a lot better.
 
Leadership contest is going to be a bloodbath isn't it? Already talk of purging the left from the party. Rather than reach out to members and build a consensus the idea is to simply get rid of them.
 
I remember the election in 1983 when Labour lost with Michael Foot leading the party. After the election, the general view was: How could Labour go into an election with such a poor leader. He was a disaster in the polls. They say you should learn from your mistakes but Labour have just fought an election with a Michael Foot clone.
 
I remember the election in 1983 when Labour lost with Michael Foot leading the party. After the election, the general view was: How could Labour go into an election with such a poor leader. He was a disaster in the polls. They say you should learn from your mistakes but Labour have just fought an election with a Michael Foot clone.

Michael Foot didn't win 40% of the vote at the election before though.
 
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