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[davek]

I largely agree with you. Most Jewish people I meet are appalled at the tactics employed by a small section of right wing Jewish people (but in the main) mainly right wing gentiles. It has not damaged Corbyn, in fact quite the opposite, the accusation is so proposterous that it generally sees Corbyn rise in the polls. It's not hard for Britains leading anti-racist politicians to show he's not racist (who'd have guessed).

However the real value in these attacks goes beyond the electoral cycle. What it has done is normalise racism, and ultimately normally Conservative/right wing racism. The tories have been allowed to just ignore rampant Islamophobia (but also anti-semitism-like the guy making the holocaust jokes who was standing for office). It's also emboldening attacks on minorities from the right and giving some veneer of legitimacy to them.

Middle England and centrist discourse aren't moved by these attacks, but it makes extremists even more angry, and that is being utilised now in ever increasingly violent ways (I mean we have seen more than 1 pensioner attacked by right wingers in this campaign).

Thats the subtext behind this, from the gentiles who are leading this crusade.

Religious extremists can only be countered and defeated by one party: the Labour Party.

Just as they did in the 30s with fascism against Jews.

Just as they did in the 50s and 60s with anti-Afro-Caribbean anti-Pakistani anti-Indian racism.

So it's not a very good idea by the big gob "representatives" of a minority community to destablise the LP and strengthen their right wing opponents.

Rabbi big gob might care to remember that.

 

[gonetomorrow]

I'm not convinced by the Labour anti-semitic stuff. In fact, if anything, I'd expect that more from Conservatives and anti-muslim attitudes as well.

What is a problem is Corbyn's failure to address and refute the slurs early doors. It rather raises a question about his authority in handling major decisions.

 

[PhilM]

I think there is a strand of anti globalisation and anti-Israel that very quickly buys into tropes about Jewish people. I don’t think Corbyn etc share this view and of course Tories are using this when they couldn’t give a damn about the Jewish community in the UK but I do believe there are parts of the Labour Party which have a problem with it. Wether it’s as large scale is one question but I’m prepared to believe people who say they’ve felt it and seen it.

I believe that Corbyn doesn't hate Jews and in that sense isn't the anti-Semitic person that people claim him to be; however, the whole saga isn't that clear cut.

I see it as that he doesn't care enough about anti-Semitism because he perhaps presume that they're likelier to be richer and more likely to vote Tory/not Labour.

This in itself has allowed and/or facilitated a wider spread of anti-Semitism through the lower echelons of the party, which is where the major issue should lie.

If people think that it's pure press talk and propaganda, I have real concerns; I personally know of a number of cases, to varying degrees in the last year alone.

That's not to say the other parties haven't got their own bigotry and discrimination because they have, but it shouldn't negate the discrimination in another.

 

[catcherintherye]

Religious extremists can only be countered and defeated by one party: the Labour Party.

Just as they did in the 30s with fascism against Jews.

Just as they did in the 50s and 60s with anti-Afro-Caribbean anti-Pakistani anti-Indian racism.

So it's not a very good idea by the big gob "representatives" of a minority community to destablise the LP and strengthen their right wing opponents.

Rabbi big gob might care to remember that.

Have a look at the post above. The Hindu and Sikh representatives have waded in too. It's utterly embarrassing and reducing anti-racism to an olympic competition. It will not sit well with voters, particularly anti-racist voters (which overwhelmingly the majority of voters) who will be quite content wit their anti-racist politics.

I mean this politely, but if people seriously think I'm not going to vote for Labour because the right wing head of a religious group who's mates with Johnson thinks I'm racist, or the head of a Hindu organisation believes Labour is racist for believing international law ought to be upheld they have another thing coming.

I tell you what would stop me voting for Labour though, if he gave an inch to these sorts of people and started issuing grovelling apologies.

 

[tsubaki]

I'm not convinced by the Labour anti-semitic stuff. In fact, if anything, I'd expect that more from Conservatives and anti-muslim attitudes as well.

What is a problem is Corbyn's failure to address and refute the slurs early doors. It rather raises a question about his authority in handling major decisions.

That assumes the arguments made can be logically challenged, though.

I mean - we are being told that Labour has become poisoned by anti-semitism since Corbyn became leader and that nothing is done about it now, mostly illustrated by a load of examples from before he became leader when nothing was done about it then.

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm not convinced by the Labour anti-semitic stuff. In fact, if anything, I'd expect that more from Conservatives and anti-muslim attitudes as well.

What is a problem is Corbyn's failure to address and refute the slurs early doors. It rather raises a question about his authority in handling major decisions.

He has refuted them. What he hasn't done is to explain why opposition/criticality to a religious state is not the same as hatred of the followers of said religion. He hasn't done this and so they are able to conflate the 2.

What they really want is for him to change his position on the middle east. He hasn't done so and nor should he.

 

[roydo]

Well, it is true in a narrow technical sense that issuing bonds is borrowing,

Thanks. And as for the asset value being added to the balance sheet, how, exactly, is that valued? With no shares to count.

Basically made up to suit.

 

[davek]

Have a look at the post above. The Hindu and Sikh representatives have waded in too. It's utterly embarrassing and reducing anti-racism to an olympic competition. It will not sit well with voters, particularly anti-racist voters (which overwhelmingly the majority of voters) who will be quite content wit their anti-racist politics.I mean this politely, but if people seriously think I'm not going to vote for Labour because the right wing head of a religious group who's mates with Johnson thinks I'm racist, or the head of a Hindu organisation believes Labour is racist for believing international law ought to be upheld they have another thing coming.
I tell you what would stop me voting for Labour though, if he gave an inch to these sorts of people and started issuing grovelling apologies.

Spot on mate. Tell them to f.o. and examine their own racism.

 

[tsubaki]

Thanks. And as for the asset value being added to the balance sheet, how, exactly, is that valued? With no shares to count.

Basically made up to suit.

Not really. Government accounts are (and would be under Labour) drawn up according to established rules - if he wins, and we took back the National Grid and the railway companies, they'd be valued in the same way as the things the state still owns now. If history tells us anything, they'd be almost certainly be undervalued rather than overvalued.

 

[Moomin]

Remember when Ed Milliband said he recognised Palestine as a seperate state, that's when the likes of the Jewish Chronicle went after the labour party.

Doesn't help when the editor has stated on many occasions that the left is the enemy of the western world and he himself is a Zionist.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Well, it is true in a narrow technical sense that issuing bonds is borrowing, but in the case of purchasing state assets it is a highly securitised form of borrowing because the value of the assets that are purchased are credited to balanced the ledger.

HaHa. It's known as the Leeds United model.

 

[peteblue]

Religious extremists can only be countered and defeated by one party: the Labour Party.

Just as they did in the 30s with fascism against Jews.

Just as they did in the 50s and 60s with anti-Afro-Caribbean anti-Pakistani anti-Indian racism.

So it's not a very good idea by the big gob "representatives" of a minority community to destablise the LP and strengthen their right wing opponents.

Rabbi big gob might care to remember that.

I’m not sure how you can write that and keep a straight face tbh...considering the current Labour Party....

 

[peteblue]

Remember when Ed Milliband said he recognised Palestine as a seperate state, that's when the likes of the Jewish Chronicle went after the labour party.

Doesn't help when the editor has stated on many occasions that the left is the enemy of the western world and he himself is a Zionist.

It was the Ed’stone that did for Miliband......

 

[abelard]

HaHa. It's known as the Leeds United model.

Sure.

Because railways and utilities depreciate in exactly the same way that Ian Rush does.

 

[peteblue]

Sure.

Because railways and utilities depreciate in exactly the same way that Ian Rush does.