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[zzr45]

I think it’s that if May can’t get her Chequers deal through Parliament then Corbyn will try for a GE to prevent a no deal Brexit.

Why? He didn’t care when it came to campaign to stay in the EU the self serving phallus.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The electorate do not choose their parliamantary representative in order to have a say in internal party affairs.

The LP leadership and membership are in the process of trying to wean the LP away from the sofa cabinet / PLP dominated neo-liberal worshipping era and back to its roots as being the representative of a wider labour movement. That's the democracy being denied by bureaucratic procedure in the NEC.

More evidence of the Local Party creating the middle ground.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...g-plan-for-public-services-backed-by-majority

Boooo, no more democracy say the cenrists.

 

[tsubaki]

Why? He didn’t care when it came to campaign to stay in the EU the self serving phallus.

Yes he did, in fact an academic study found he was the most visible Labour politician by a considerable margin:

https://blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/eu-re...16-eu-referendum-report-5-6-may-22-june-2016/

So feel free to jog on to the next rehashed meme about him.

 

[zzr45]

Yes he did, in fact an academic study found he was the most visible Labour politician by a considerable margin:

https://blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/eu-re...16-eu-referendum-report-5-6-may-22-june-2016/

So feel free to jog on to the next rehashed meme about him.

lollol
The head of a major political party had less appearances than IDS who has as much political relevance as a trifle. This should be celebrated?

Jesus wept. As much as the Tories created this mess, Labour didn’t exactly do much to get the country out of it. As much culpable as the rest.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

lollol
The head of a major political party had less appearances than IDS who has as much political relevance as a trifle. This should be celebrated?

Jesus wept. As much as the Tories created this mess, Labour didn’t exactly do much to get the country out of it. As much culpable as the rest.

I bet he can grow a mean Juniper bush though.

 

[zzr45]

lollol
The head of a major political party had less appearances than IDS who has as much political relevance as a trifle. This should be celebrated?

Jesus wept. As much as the Tories created this mess, Labour didn’t exactly do much to get the country out of it. As much culpable as the rest.

Looking back it gets even worse. Here’s the well known right wing mouthpiece ‘The Guardian’ laying in to Corbyn for his crap appearances.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-put-jeremy-corbyn-in-now-should-push-him-out

 

[tsubaki]

lollol
The head of a major political party had less appearances than IDS who has as much political relevance as a trifle. This should be celebrated?

Jesus wept. As much as the Tories created this mess, Labour didn’t exactly do much to get the country out of it. As much culpable as the rest.

IDS was one of the main Vote Leave people, that is why he was so prominent in that campaign which was not fought along party political lines. That is why he was the third most prominent Tory Leave campaigner (and fourth Leave campaigner overall).

Looking back it gets even worse. Here’s the well known right wing mouthpiece ‘The Guardian’ laying in to Corbyn for his crap appearances.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-put-jeremy-corbyn-in-now-should-push-him-out

I draw your attention back to the table in the Loughborough University study. Corbyn was the 7th most prominent individual in the media during that campaign, being mentioned or appearing in 124 separate items. Gordon Brown (to his credit) was mentioned or appeared 52 times, second behind Corbyn and ninth overall. Watson did not appear in the top 30, neither did Blair, Kinnock, or Benn or in fact any of the alternative leader candidates in the PLP.

If people - you, for instance, or that cretin Freedland - are going to blame Labour for the Brexit result, perhaps their ire should be pointed at the people who did not take a stand (and who didnt take a stand so they could get rid of their elected leader) rather than those who did.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yes he did, in fact an academic study found he was the most visible Labour politician by a considerable margin:

https://blog.lboro.ac.uk/crcc/eu-re...16-eu-referendum-report-5-6-may-22-june-2016/

So feel free to jog on to the next rehashed meme about him.

He does soap boxing or rally's meets up with real people, the great unwashed, the bourgeoisie media prefer the cosy invitation only with nibbles and sip of fizz or the studio of politics live etc. Where us the great unwashed plebians are at comfortable distance!

 

[zzr45]

IDS was one of the main Vote Leave people, that is why he was so prominent in that campaign which was not fought along party political lines. That is why he was the third most prominent Tory Leave campaigner (and fourth Leave campaigner overall)

And IDS has all the charisma of a rotten tooth, but seemingly wanted to get his message out more than Jeremy '7/10' Corbyn. Corbyn seemed delighted to do nothing more than pop up and mumble rhetoric about social values and rights, not directly appealing to people and saying 'You will be worse off when this rolls round.' Also you might need to lock your doors to stop Momentum getting in - remember Tories engineered and delivered Brexit to screw over the working classes, comrade!

I draw your attention back to the table in the Loughborough University study. Corbyn was the 7th most prominent individual in the media during that campaign, being mentioned or appearing in 124 separate items. Gordon Brown (to his credit) was mentioned or appeared 52 times, second behind Corbyn and ninth overall. Watson did not appear in the top 30, neither did Blair, Kinnock, or Benn or in fact any of the alternative leader candidates in the PLP.

So? What was the actual value of those appearances? If he'd given the greatest ever speech that got the country to vote Remain, great. Instead he sort of shuffled rounds not saying much. Christ, there were people actively noting that he'd gone missing during the entire campaign. He even missed the chance to show that it was a proper cross party campaign - https://www.politico.eu/article/corbyn-hit-with-claims-of-brexit-sabotage-labour/

If people - you, for instance, or that cretin Freedland - are going to blame Labour for the Brexit result, perhaps their ire should be pointed at the people who did not take a stand (and who didnt take a stand so they could get rid of their elected leader) rather than those who did.

Brexit can be blamed on a lot of people across the political spectrum, but to say that Corbyn took a stand is ever so slightly revisionist. To also say that he should be able to call a GE and get slotted straight in as if he was some grand beacon for the remain campaign is, frankly, insane.

 

[tsubaki]

And IDS has all the charisma of a rotten tooth, but seemingly wanted to get his message out more than Jeremy '7/10' Corbyn. Corbyn seemed delighted to do nothing more than pop up and mumble rhetoric about social values and rights, not directly appealing to people and saying 'You will be worse off when this rolls round.' Also you might need to lock your doors to stop Momentum getting in - remember Tories engineered and delivered Brexit to screw over the working classes, comrade!

Again, you are attacking someone who got his message out far more than people who you are not attacking and doing so on the basis that this was a party political referendum.

So? What was the actual value of those appearances? If he'd given the greatest ever speech that got the country to vote Remain, great. Instead he sort of shuffled rounds not saying much. Christ, there were people actively noting that he'd gone missing during the entire campaign. He even missed the chance to show that it was a proper cross party campaign - https://www.politico.eu/article/corbyn-hit-with-claims-of-brexit-sabotage-labour/

https://www.politico.eu/article/corbyn-hit-with-claims-of-brexit-sabotage-labour/

Which is, frankly, nonsense. Corbyn was skeptical of the EU that has emerged and for him to turn into someone who would sign up to Cameron's campaign, which even you should recognize was absolutely rubbish, would have rightly been pointed to as being hypocritical. Instead he came up with a campaign that was honest (to himself and to us, ie: not pretending that Remain would result in harsher immigration policy for EU Citizens, not pretending the EU was perfect) and which did not damage him in the way that it damaged, fatally, the Cameroons.

Brexit can be blamed on a lot of people across the political spectrum, but to say that Corbyn took a stand is ever so slightly revisionist. To also say that he should be able to call a GE and get slotted straight in as if he was some grand beacon for the remain campaign is, frankly, insane.

I think you should really just go away and look what actually happened during the election campaign. Corbyn took a stand during it, his internal party opponents didn't. If you want to blame Labour for failings during the referendum, go and blame them.

 

[Number_25]

Alan Johnson fronted our campaign, much to the dismay of a large number of Labour activists. I'd have much rather ran a full blown "remain and reform" members-driven campaign (akin to the GE) than that utter shambles.

 

[zzr45]

Again, you are attacking someone who got his message out far more than people who you are not attacking and doing so on the basis that this was a party political referendum.

What? I'm attacking your argument that he should be seen as a great leader of the Remain campaign who was a great asset and should thus get first dibs. Personally, I don't like him because I think he became a bit reserved towards the back end to take this kind of opportunity.

Which is, frankly, nonsense. Corbyn was skeptical of the EU that has emerged and for him to turn into someone who would sign up to Cameron's campaign, which even you should recognize was absolutely rubbish, would have rightly been pointed to as being hypocritical. Instead he came up with a campaign that was honest (to himself and to us, ie: not pretending that Remain would result in harsher immigration policy for EU Citizens, not pretending the EU was perfect) and which did not damage him in the way that it damaged, fatally, the Cameroons.

You said it was a cross party campaign, now it isn't because it was with Cameron. C'mon mate, pick a narrative and stick with it.

I think you should really just go away and look what actually happened during the election campaign. Corbyn took a stand during it, his internal party opponents didn't. If you want to blame Labour for failings during the referendum, go and blame them.

Brexit can be blamed on a lot of people across the political spectrum, but to say that Corbyn took a stand is ever so slightly revisionist. To also say that he should be able to call a GE and get slotted straight in as if he was some grand beacon for the remain campaign is, frankly, insane.

 

[tsubaki]

What? I'm attacking your argument that he should be seen as a great leader of the Remain campaign who was a great asset and should thus get first dibs. Personally, I don't like him because I think he became a bit reserved towards the back end to take this kind of opportunity.

er - that wasnt my argument. I was just pointing out that your statements were wrong, and that if you did still want to be angry at Labour then you should really go after the people who took very little part in a debate they are phenomenally concerned about.

You said it was a cross party campaign, now it isn't because it was with Cameron. C'mon mate, pick a narrative and stick with it.

No, I said it was a campaign not fought along party lines - and in any case, that is a fantastically bizarre argument you are making.

 

[davek]

I expect at the end of next week's conference Jezza to say "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for power".

 

[peteblue]

lollol
The head of a major political party had less appearances than IDS who has as much political relevance as a trifle. This should be celebrated?

Jesus wept. As much as the Tories created this mess, Labour didn’t exactly do much to get the country out of it. As much culpable as the rest.

Indeed, if you add up all the appearances of Labour MP’s including Corbyn, they don’t even come close to Cameron, and he wanted to Remain.......