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[neil999]

It's a pity Blair and Campbell were never sent to the supreme court over the Irag war as their were no weapons of mass destruction..,..also the scientist who somehow committed suicide after addressing a government meeting to say just that noweapons of mass destruction.......
A far more worthwhile reason to take someone to the supreme court imo....

So this voting labour your whole life thing...

So you voted labour when blair was in power, even though you are anti EU and he was probably the most EU friendly PM

You voted labour when foot was in charge, who was prob the most left wing opposition leader of all time

anything else?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Most polls are weaponised propaganda tools. Both major parties have lost support since 2017 with the advent of the Brexit Party especially.

Brexit is just excuses Dave. Labour are fighting on a deal or remain ticket, whereas the Tories are a no deal or deal ticket. The vote was split almost down the middle so each side has still got half the electorate to aim for minus the Brexit (no deal) or the Liberal (remain) taking their slices. I wonder which party is going to have more seats at the next election??

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's a pity Blair and Campbell were never sent to the supreme court over the Irag war as their were no weapons of mass destruction..,..also the scientist who somehow committed suicide after addressing a government meeting to say just that no weapons of mass destruction.......
A far more worthwhile reason to take someone to the supreme court imo....

It would be the International Court of Justice that would decide such a thing Joe.

 

[davek]

Agreed but you've ignored my question. Are polls right or wrong? You cant use the line that polls were right in 2017 but are wrong now. That's all I'm saying.

When did I say they were right? I said the Tories had a huge lead - in terms of votes cast in 2015. The LP closed that gap right down.

 

[davek]

Similarly, the party lost 11% of the vote in the EU elections. So you've got declining voter share in historically Labour seats (in bi-elections), a declining vote share in EU elections, and terrible polling figures for Labour as a party and especially Corbyn as the leader, and yet we're to believe that he's still the messiah. That his loss to the Maybot in 2017 is somehow used as evidence that he's got huge, widespread appeal is rather sad.

He's a busted flush. Why do you think Lansman wanted to do a number on Tom Watson? He knows that when Corbyn is inevitably shoved aside, Watson is the next cab in the rank.

You've descended into rabid journalese rather than continuing with sensible debate.

I said that the Brexit issue is one that's dogging normal political decision making amongst the electorate. Am I wrong to contextualise the LPs falling vote (and the Tory's for that matter) in such a way? Do you think the LP and Tory vote would be where they are with no Brexit issue dominating the political culture?

 

[davek]

It's a pity Blair and Campbell were never sent to the supreme court over the Irag war as their were no weapons of mass destruction..,..also the scientist who somehow committed suicide after addressing a government meeting to say just that no weapons of mass destruction.......
A far more worthwhile reason to take someone to the supreme court imo....

Both worthwhile.

 

[davek]

Brexit is just excuses Dave. Labour are fighting on a deal or remain ticket, whereas the Tories are a no deal or deal ticket. The vote was split almost down the middle so each side has still got half the electorate to aim for minus the Brexit (no deal) or the Liberal (remain) taking their slices. I wonder which party is going to have more seats at the next election??

It's not an excuse, it's a very real big steaming turd on the plate of every politician in this country. How is that an excuse to explain away falling popularity when all parties are held in disrepute?

 

[The binman chronicles]

It's not an excuse, it's a very real big steaming turd on the plate of every politician in this country. How is that an excuse to explain away falling popularity when all parties are held in disrepute?

Both parties are going to have falling numbers but still the Tories will win more seats despite it affecting them by the same amount and being useless in government. So by conclusion what is the reason for that?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

When did I say they were right? I said the Tories had a huge lead - in terms of votes cast in 2015. The LP closed that gap right down.

Okay my mistake then. I thought you had previously said that Corbyn had outperformed expectations in 2017 and you were referencing how far behind he was in the polls at that time. I cant be bothered to check your previous posts for sure but could swear I'd taken that interpretation from you.

 

[davek]

Both parties are going to have falling numbers but still the Tories will win more seats despite it affecting them by the same amount and being useless in government. So by conclusion what is the reason for that?

You're asking me to give a reason for something that hasn't happened!

I'd hold your horses on that one until the result of the GE is known. Do not rule out a major showing for Farage's party - if Brexit happens on the back of anything other than a no deal Brexit, or Johnson is humiliated and forced beyond 31st October, the Tories will struggle to be the single biggest party. IMO, the Tory inroads to Brexit Party support is at peak. It wont get better than this and it's still at 12%-14%.. and Farage in an election campaign will whip up a storm as only he can.

 

[Catfish Blues]

Take a look what happened to Brown and then Miliband ...

I'd say Brown got hammered by the electorate for being in charge when all the banks were close to going bust. Sometimes in politics, things like that happen , politicians and parties get blamed for something they had little control over and get booted out as a result.

For all their faults and mistakes, Blair and Brown did a lot of good for ordinary, working class people.

 

[Joey66]

It would be the International Court of Justice that would decide such a thing Joe.

No we just had a few enquiries by lords chilcot was the last one a right whitewash nothing Judicial - a right con......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You've descended into rabid journalese rather than continuing with sensible debate.

I said that the Brexit issue is one that's dogging normal political decision making amongst the electorate. Am I wrong to contextualise the LPs falling vote (and the Tory's for that matter) in such a way? Do you think the LP and Tory vote would be where they are with no Brexit issue dominating the political culture?

Without the biggest political issue of our generation you mean?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No we just had a few enquiries by lords chilcot was the last one a right whitewash nothing Judicial - a right con......

@GrandOldTeam we really need that face palm smiley.

 

[Joey66]

@GrandOldTeam we really need that face palm smiley.

That's what I was like this am while trying to post pictures on the old picture thread and you kept at me on the scummie tory thread , and I don't vote Tory.....