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[peteblue]

Of course this Labour is a different animal to the 1945 one (for a start, 1945 had a lot easier time of it) but it is facing the same attacks.

What ? I can only assume you mean the media and not the state of the country.....

 

[dwightschrute]

Someone once said 'those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it'. What does political history for Britain tell us? It tells us that every Labour government since the war (excluding the Attlee government) have screwed the economy. And before anyone says 'where did you read that, Daily Mail or Telegraph', the answer is - I lived through it, that's how I know. The key word for a Labour government is 'Increase'. I can tell you now, with confidence, what will increase if Labour win the next election.

Wages
Inflation
Strikes
Taxes
Unemployment
National Debt

I class myself as a 'floating voter'. I have voted for Labour on several occasions and Conservative on several occasions. I always vote for the party who I think will do best for the country at a point in time. Sadly, Labour have let me down every time. The danger for this country is that the current lot who run Labour would be worse than any of the past failed Labour governments. Don't know how many general elections I have left but I hope that, one day before I depart, I have the opportunity to vote Labour again.
I mentioned the Attlee government above. I was too young to vote in the election after the war, but have studied it since. I think the Attlee government was the best government there has been since the war. Labour inherited a bankrupt country after the war and achieved miracles. They were unlucky that rationing was still going on at the next election and people wanted a change. Things were changing and the Conservatives got in just at the right time, mega lucky.

This is nonsense, sorry

Labour governments: more fiscally “conservative” than Conservative ones? - Prime

The current false “truth” endlessly repeated by those who would benefit from its propagation, and by those who should know better, is that Labour governments are fiscally profligate and/or incompetent compared to other parties' governments. We have therefore looked at the respective records of...

www.primeeconomics.org

A baseless claim that goes against all data repeated enough by the right wing media that its become a universal (un)truth

 

[JimmyJeffers]

This is nonsense, sorry

Labour governments: more fiscally “conservative” than Conservative ones? - Prime

The current false “truth” endlessly repeated by those who would benefit from its propagation, and by those who should know better, is that Labour governments are fiscally profligate and/or incompetent compared to other parties' governments. We have therefore looked at the respective records of...

www.primeeconomics.org

A baseless claim that goes against all data repeated enough by the right wing media that its become a universal (un)truth

He lived through it mate. Personal experience and bias outweighs facts. Where have you been the last 5 years

 

[orchard]

He lived through it mate. Personal experience and bias outweighs facts. Where have you been the last 5 years

Kinell mate, you're a bit of an anti-democratic traitor. The coming senileocracy won't be kind.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Kinell mate, you're a bit of an anti-democratic traitor. The coming senileocracy won't be kind.

I’ve said before that I am totally fine with deporting everyone over the age of 65 and trading them with some of those friendly migrants from over the water. Less drain on economy and care services.
My dad is starting to do my head in anyways so I won’t miss him

 

[orchard]

I’ve said before that I am totally fine with deporting everyone over the age of 65 and trading them with some of those friendly migrants from over the water. Less drain on economy and care services.
My dad is starting to do my head in anyways so I won’t miss him

Hahaha, i wonder how much this has to do with their poor adaptability and longing for the days when they didn't have to complain to get food that was destroyed like a well-done sirloin?

 

[Methuselah]

Never really thought about it like that. The Attlee government did what it had to do, rather than being mired in a dogmatic ideology. But thats me remembering History lessons from decades ago.

But either way, "Left Wing" circa 1945 is a different animal to "Left Wing circa 2019.

Roydo, more or less exactly what I was going to post.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I know, thats why I said they had it easier than Labour do now. I just think its amusing that people - and its not just on here - who are suspicious (at best) of Labour and who drone on about Marxism seem to think that the best Labour government was the one that was clearly the most socialist.

Also I think its a bit much to say that Labour failed to modernise British industry, especially British manufacturing. Most of that wasn't nationalized between 1945-51 (indeed a lot of it never was) and the choice to the owners was to either keep running things as a business and earn profits or to invest in the future; most of them tried the former and so we are now where we are. It should also be pointed out that the interventionism of that government hasn't been seen since 1979 and yet industry hasnt recovered - despite considerable assistance, lower tax rates etc, and you can see the same short-termism at work across the British economy, culminating of course in this latest bit of idiocy with Brexit.

Finally don't forget that the choice between profit and investment wasn't one that the Germans ever had to make until relatively recently, because so much of the country had been levelled and most of the rest had been carted off as reparations. The German state had to rebuild almost everything.

My impression was that much of the American money after the war was spent on propping up the empire rather than accepting the empire was a burden we could no longer afford and upgrading infrastructure. The German railways, for instance, were electrified decades before British ones were. As with most governments though, there will be positive things and negative things, and I would imagine psychologically it would have been hard to give up the pretence that Britain was a global power, despite being bankrupt after the war (and indeed dependent upon American land lease agreements to hold on as long as we did during it).

 

[Methuselah]

This is nonsense, sorry

Labour governments: more fiscally “conservative” than Conservative ones? - Prime

The current false “truth” endlessly repeated by those who would benefit from its propagation, and by those who should know better, is that Labour governments are fiscally profligate and/or incompetent compared to other parties' governments. We have therefore looked at the respective records of...

www.primeeconomics.org

A baseless claim that goes against all data repeated enough by the right wing media that its become a universal (un)truth

So, my real life experience is 'nonsense' based on an article you read. At the end of the Gordon Brown era, the Labour Finance guy (can't even remember his name) famously left a note for the incoming government 'there is no money left'. A suitable epitaph for Labour governments.

 

[dwightschrute]

So, my real life experience is 'nonsense' based on an article you read. At the end of the Gordon Brown era, the Labour Finance guy (can't even remember his name) famously left a note for the incoming government 'there is no money left'. A suitable epitaph for Labour governments.

Nope, your experience isnt nonsense at all. Saying they always ruin the entire country economy is nonsense and can be proven wrong with facts and statistics.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

So, my real life experience is 'nonsense' based on an article you read. At the end of the Gordon Brown era, the Labour Finance guy (can't even remember his name) famously left a note for the incoming government 'there is no money left'. A suitable epitaph for Labour governments.

An article that contains facts though?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So, my real life experience is 'nonsense' based on an article you read. At the end of the Gordon Brown era, the Labour Finance guy (can't even remember his name) famously left a note for the incoming government 'there is no money left'. A suitable epitaph for Labour governments.

An article that looks at research into an entire nations affairs will always be more reliable than the experience of a single individual, yes. Joe is living through the current time but I wouldn't trust him to tell the current weather accurately.

 

[Methuselah]

An article that looks at research into an entire nations affairs will always be more reliable than the experience of a single individual, yes. Joe is living through the current time but I wouldn't trust him to tell the current weather accurately.

Its a fact though, there was no money left which is why there had to be austerity. The Conservatives always get blamed for sorting Labour's mess out.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Its a fact though, there was no money left which is why there had to be austerity. The Conservatives always get blamed for sorting Labour's mess out.

Err, the global financial system crashed. You're perhaps explaining the flaws in your 'I lived through it' as a defence.

 

[tsubaki]

What ? I can only assume you mean the media and not the state of the country.....

Pete we'd just come through six years of actual socialism, with more government control over everything than this country had ever seen, which had turned a disaster caused directly by the Tory Party into a victory against absolute evil. This was done with the help of a communist superpower, and most of the electorate had either seen their parents screwed over in the years following the end of WW1 by the Tories and Liberals or had been screwed over in the years following the end of WW1 by the Tories and Liberals themselves.

Basically events said "vote Labour", and so people did. Without Churchill's personal role as leader of the country to prop up its vote, the Tory Party would probably have been wiped out in 1945.