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davek said:
It's already informally been achieved: the Starmer lot have changed the LP forever by turning it into a neo-liberal party.

It just needs a left wing party to challenge it now in the way Reform have challenged the Tories.
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Won’t ever happen. The left in this country, like always, have far too many internal disagreements & everyone’s idea of “the left” is miles different both socially & economically.

That’s why the right have unfortunately dominated in this country.
 
Eidean said:
Won’t ever happen. The left in this country, like always, have far too many internal disagreements & everyone’s idea of “the left” is miles different both socially & economically.
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My question is why none of the existing harder-Left wing parties have ever made any serious inroads against Labour (despite a decade of Blair)? There's always this nebulous idea of a perfect new Party that's about to form up and sweep the Centrists away, when in reality each of them arrives with little fanfare and quickly becomes consigned to the electoral bin, fighting a handful of seats and getting a few hundred votes in each.

It's a problem that small Right wing parties have traditionally had against the Tories too, but I'm struggling to envision the circumstances that would lead to a Reform-equivalent on the Left to get anywhere as much traction as Farage can generate.
 
Xizor said:
My question is why none of the existing harder-Left wing parties have ever made any serious inroads against Labour (despite a decade of Blair)? There's always this nebulous idea of a perfect new Party that's about to form up and sweep the Centrists away, when in reality each of them arrives with little fanfare and quickly becomes consigned to the electoral bin, fighting a handful of seats and getting a few hundred votes in each.

It's a problem that small Right wing parties have traditionally had against the Tories too, but I'm struggling to envision the circumstances that would lead to a Reform-equivalent on the Left to get anywhere as much traction as Farage can generate.
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If labour are the 'loony left', and the lib dems are left of them, then who's signing up to be even loonier some more? Same sort of problem with the tory scum, they've attracted their core nazi vote, but it's not been far enough so reform are pushing classical tory (nazi) values and are gaining traction. What's interesting about reform is, it's a brand that so many from the edl and bnp can align with and now legitimately rub shoulders with their tory brethren with no jarring dislike.
The media are happy to exploit this convenient deal of new bedfellows as it stokes the bigger fallout to hype up tomorrow and then can play the blame game. It'll still all be the foreigners fault, "it's just that some don't want to treat them as harshly as is necessary*".
Case in point, musk, yaxley-lennon, farage, Starmzy.

If bin salman was tweeting about rape gangs and complicity, I wonder if the legitimizing of his agenda would be the same as we see now with musk.
 
“UK business confidence has dropped to its lowest level since former Conservative Prime Minister Liz Truss’s disastrous mini-budget more than two years ago, according to a survey by the British Chambers of Commerce that echoes concerns over the current Labour government’s tax hikes.
A majority of firms expect prices to increase over the next three months as companies pass on higher taxes and another jump in the minimum wage, unveiled by Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves in her October budget. Business conditions are “weak,” the lobby group added, and more firms slowed investment than accelerated it over the past three months.”

Starmer and Reeves have really screwed the economy, inflation will immediately follow the wholesale price rises being passed on to ‘working people’ as the NI and minimum wage come on stream. Being unfavourably compared to the shambles of the Truss mini budget should make them stop and think, but they won’t ….
 
davek said:
It's already informally been achieved: the Starmer lot have changed the LP forever by turning it into a neo-liberal party.

It just needs a left wing party to challenge it now in the way Reform have challenged the Tories.
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I am afraid you are a bit out there. Blair transformed the labour party into a neo-lib party. Corbyn and Momentum were the challengers, but they didnt quite deliver. Starmer has just restored the status quo of more recent history.

Can this Labour party be challenged? Possibly. Might it be better to start again? Probably.
 
davek said:
Keep on enjoying the socialism.
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IN. ACTION.

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Didn't see you deigning to criticise your close ally Musk today, but clearly still champing at the bit to get stuck into our embattled Labour government. Birds of a Far Right Feather, flocking together, you're absolutely giddy at the thought of siphoning votes away from Labour and ensuring Farage and his ilk get to march about triumphant.
 
The media is exploiting the horrific sexual abuse of thousands of young girls to attack Keir Starmer, twisting his words for political gain. It's no longer about seeking justice, but about using this tragedy to score points against Labour. This is a shameful distraction from the real issue: the systemic failures that allowed this abuse to happen.

Imagine being one of these victims. You were abused, ignored by the authorities, and now your trauma is being used as a political weapon. Your suffering is being exploited to sell newspapers and push conspiracy theories. It's utterly re-traumatizing.

Politicians are using this for their own agendas, without any regard for the survivors. They're exploiting the vulnerability of children for political gain. These same media outlets that are now feigning outrage were the ones who celebrated cuts to services that left these children unprotected. They knew this would happen.

The media has lost all credibility. They're no longer holding the powerful accountable; they're simply spreading propaganda. They should be focusing on real issues, like how Tory government policies created conditions that allowed child abuse to thrive.
 
Starmer should be banged to rights over his Spy Cops rapist enabling.

He signed all those off: state-sanctioned mass rapes.

That's one thing he is guilty of, for sure.

Maybe, finally, that historic sex crime he was at the heart of will come front and centre.
 
Head of the CPS between July 2008 and November 2013. I'm no fan of the pigs, when had they began their state sanctioned secret relationships with activists under the auspices of observation?

Something I didn't know, he marched against the invasion of Iraq. Has also worked abroad as special counsel to fight death penalties in respective courts.

Anything for a day off work or a free holiday in the sun eh...
 
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