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All that’ll do is make Reform more successful.

The Corbynite stripe of the Left don't actually want to govern, it's terrifying to them to have to be held accountable or suffer the need to compromise their principles. They'll handwave in the absolute worst gang of right wing thugs as long as they can live in their protest politics fantasy land bubble.
 
All that’ll do is make Reform more successful.
Socialists will have a political home. That's all I'm concerned about. Let all the right wing parties cannibalise each other as far as Ilm concerned.
Corbyn displaying his miserable political instints again by attempting to split the Left just as the Far Right is on the march. If he does this and throws 2029 wide open for Farage to somehow sneak in, it would cap even the time his ineptitude led to the British people giving an odious creature like Johnson a majority.

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Socialists will have a political home. That's all I'm concerned about. Let all the right wing parties cannibalise each other as far as Ilm concerned.


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Point well and truly proven. That was quick, cheers Dave.

As we can see, Dave is quite happy to admit he wants to give the Right (his bastardised version that includes Labour) a free run at power as long as he can "win the argument" from perpetual political obscurity. The actual effect on the country & people letting the Right stay locked in No 10? Doesn't much matter to him.

I see your clown emojis and raise you.

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I'd imagine the number of defections to Corbyn's new party from the Starmer Gang + those who won their seats as independents in July will have them defending about 20 or so seats in 2029.

They'll have Short money and Policy Development Grants to draw on for funding. If they can snare a couple of left TUs to disaffiliate from the Red Tories they could be in business in 2029 to defend what they'd have going into it. The unions could make a lot of demands on Starmer's Gang by threatening to do that. Unite have been on the verge for a while and they were Corbyn's biggest backers previously, and the Bakers Union did disaffiliate recently. The RMT fund the Labour Representation Committee which advises the so-called 'Labour' Party but they could break with them and fund a Corbyn led party. The Fire Brigades Union are very left wing, so I could see another disaffiliation from them as they've done that before.

Get that union cash and this can be a success.
 
Weird tweet given the quoted article says Corbyn is likely to be reluctant to do it.
This has been mentioned way before the Spectator article today. The only new info there is that paperwork is expected to be filed with the Electoral Commission.

Whether Corbyn fronts it or not, if it's positioned as a party of the left it will have a huge space to grow in as all the rest of the British political parties have rapidly moved right. Nature abhors an vacuum...
 
This has been mentioned way before the Spectator article today. The only new info there is that paperwork is expected to be filed with the Electoral Commission.

Whether Corbyn fronts it or not, if it's positioned as a party of the left it will have a huge space to grow in as all the rest of the British political parties have rapidly moved right. Nature abhors an vacuum...
That may be the case but was just saying the tweet doesn’t match the article.

I also think that without Corbyn they wouldn’t gain much traction long term and we’re 4+ years away from the next GE.

I would be very happy if a sensible left party could grow and represent a genuine option but I don’t see this being the answer to that.
 
The Corbynite stripe of the Left don't actually want to govern, it's terrifying to them to have to be held accountable or suffer the need to compromise their principles. They'll handwave in the absolute worst gang of right wing thugs as long as they can live in their protest politics fantasy land bubble.

So boring
 
The Corbynite stripe of the Left don't actually want to govern, it's terrifying to them to have to be held accountable or suffer the need to compromise their principles. They'll handwave in the absolute worst gang of right wing thugs as long as they can live in their protest politics fantasy land bubble.

Always been an issue with the left unfortunately & all this will result in is votes split between small parties, Corbyns, Labour, Greens & some into the Lib Dems.

We’re in a world where people like Trump, Musk etc are getting the most powerful jobs in the world due to their character & the same will eventually happen here with Farage.

All the votes on the right will start growing into Reform. Look at that last election after their first one. Terrifying
 
Always been an issue with the left unfortunately & all this will result in is votes split between small parties, Corbyns, Labour, Greens & some into the Lib Dems.

We’re in a world where people like Trump, Musk etc are getting the most powerful jobs in the world due to their character & the same will eventually happen here with Farage.

All the votes on the right will start growing into Reform. Look at that last election after their first one. Terrifying
Unless Farage becomes the leader of the Tories which is highly unlikely. He won't get close to leading this country.
 
So boring

Whether or not you're personally engaged doesn't impact on the veracity of the statement. It's not even exclusively a Left problem, on the Right you've got whacko Libertarians who believe in near-zero taxation & a state so small it would barely cover a small waterbiscuit. Before Brexit, Fringe Eurosceptics were another breed who gave Tory PMs headaches with their demands for destructive plans.

Left or Right, these are groups of political iconoclasts who insist they've got all the answers if only we tear up the entire rulebook, writing reams of articles and going on speaking tours, usually safe in the knowledge that they'll never win power and have their theories tested.

But of course it has happened recently, more than once. Cameron tried to face down his Brexit flank and got humiliated, but none of the Leave campaign bigwigs ever knew how to make a success of what they'd achieved, and the word 'Brexit' itself almost seems banned in Westminster by consensus. Truss tried to implement a set of ideas lauded up and down the Right Wing Rags as the most "Conservative Budget of All Time" and was forced to sack her chancellor 3 weeks later before following him out the door herself shortly after. The people that supported these extreme positions and have seem them utterly fail are now reduced to "well of course it wasn't done properly" to try and retain any credibility.
 
Think it will be a good thing for British politics if there is a semi successful and organised left wing party separate to Labour.

Only if we ditch FPTP (a move I'm broadly in favour of). Even with Reform polling well currently, there's no long term future for a tetrarchy of parties - as soon as either Reform or the Tories ate the other then a Labour/Collective split on the Left would just see damaging Right Wing majorities installed.

If we moved to a different form of voting then the days of broad churches needing to stay together for a shot at power would be done.
 
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