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[Bruce Wayne]

"Comparative salary in the private sector"

-- is this a joke?

As an example (given your apparent expertise in entrepreneurship)

Machine learning academics are flocking to tech giants and that might be a problem

The die is very much cast when it comes to the growth of machine learning. With the expansion of tech companies like Google, Amazon and Uber, artificial intelligence-based research and products is a growth industry that’s only just getting

thenextweb.com

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Well you're making a good fist of defending the indefensible on tuition fees.

Universities are broke because tuition fees haven't risen in line with inflation, meaning graduates today have saved a couple of grand compared to graduates who went through the system when fees were first introduced. I'm curious how it's considered socialist to ask people on a minimum wage to pay for the education of high-earning graduates, rather than the beneficiaries of the education (ie the graduate) paying a chunk of their education (still not the entire sum, as we can see what that is based on what overseas students pay)? Or are you a champagne socialist Dave?

Another big cuase is the massive drop off in foreign students coming to the UK to study. Who basically subsidised tuition fees for us born here and chose Uni. The price of sovereignty and keeping our culture.

 

[Thomasc]

Or two realists attempting to educate the sheeples…….

Oh my



That’s GOT gold

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Yes I would. But apparently Imperial College London has over 1200 members of staff on £100,000 pa…….

Imperial are a bit of a weird outlier in the sector Pete.

They go outside of the national pay bargaining structures and don't consistently use the single salary spine, therefore their pay deals look peculiar compared to, say, Loughborough up the road from you.

Institutions like Imperial aren't actually the ones at risk - Global reputation, large number of international post-grads, high research and commercial income etc which offsets the costs of home tuition fee erosion.

The smaller universities, particularly those focused on teaching or with a smaller research base are the ones struggling.

Unfortunately people don't recognise HE as an ecosystem with different types of institutions having different strengths, roles and capabilities. The fixation is on the 'elite' institutions dominates, more often than not, by those from wealthy backgrounds. Quite often the derided institutions provide an opportunity for those from less wealthy backgrounds.

Not to mention capacity - you want nurses, physios, paramedics etc? Shut the less prestigious unis, training capacity collapses.

So it needs to be paid for. Tax payer or student loan? Someone won't be happy.

Having said all that, I think executive pay in the sector is a problem. The VC at the Institution I am about to leave was awarded a 13 or 15% pay rise for, well, we aren't quite sure.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

As an example (given your apparent expertise in entrepreneurship)

Machine learning academics are flocking to tech giants and that might be a problem

The die is very much cast when it comes to the growth of machine learning. With the expansion of tech companies like Google, Amazon and Uber, artificial intelligence-based research and products is a growth industry that’s only just getting

thenextweb.com

Couldn't recruit post doctoral researchers to a project for similar reasons. Why use that PhD on a fixed term contract paying £34k when you can coin it in the private sector?

 

[Eggs]

….some years ago now, but my daughter studied Medicine at Liverpool University and there wasn’t a single lecture to attend. Instead the course was based on ‘Problem Based Learning’, where groups of students worked by themselves to identify solutions to problems set. It was before the huge hike in tuition fees, but it was 5 years and it made me wonder what she was paying for.

My son was the other side of the hike, the debt was significant even though he lived at home. Fortunately we were able to clear it for him but I would never trust Student Loans Company of keeping accurate records, they were in a right mess. Those loans can be a millstone for many years, surely there has to be a better way of paying for our youngsters education.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Talking of taxes!

Taxes don’t bother me, it’s the reason for them that does……

In addition the state gives them £80+ million every year in "sovereign grant", doesn't charge them any tax on anything, and then pays them even more millions when state institutions want to use what it's already paying towards.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Couldn't recruit post doctoral researchers to a project for similar reasons. Why use that PhD on a fixed term contract paying £34k when you can coin it in the private sector?

And with Imperial being renowned for its expertise in STEM, it's perhaps not that hard to see why they'd need to pay a bit more to keep faculty.

 

[davek]

Universities are broke because tuition fees haven't risen in line with inflation, meaning graduates today have saved a couple of grand compared to graduates who went through the system when fees were first introduced. I'm curious how it's considered socialist to ask people on a minimum wage to pay for the education of high-earning graduates, rather than the beneficiaries of the education (ie the graduate) paying a chunk of their education (still not the entire sum, as we can see what that is based on what overseas students pay)? Or are you a champagne socialist Dave?

So utterly pathetic in 'reasoning' that it deserves zero response.

 

[davek]

Another big cuase is the massive drop off in foreign students coming to the UK to study. Who basically subsidised tuition fees for us born here and chose Uni. The price of sovereignty and keeping our culture.

The way tuition fees are factored in as part of the 'obvious' requirements of higher education is the real issue here...that's why the 'radical' Starmer leadership bid promised scrapping them altogether...just a ruse to con the LP membership - the way he'd go on to con the fools who fell for his blarney at the last election.

Imagine not seeing his broken promises in the election campaign coming a mile off when the previous 4 years of u-turns and broken promises was there for all to see before last July?

You'd have to have been utterly 'kin thick not to have foreseen this Starmer Gang's trajectory.

Lol.

 

[davek]

 

[Xizor]

Every day I wake up relieved that Labour took the reins of power from the Tories, and that barely anyone listened to thick clots who demanded voters turn out for utter self-aggrandising frauds like Galloway.

 

[davek]

Nonsensical decision...unless you're trying to pacify businesses.

More evidence this lot can be bought off.

Smoking to be banned outside schools and hospitals in England, but pubs get reprieve

Parliamentary bill will also ban the advertising of vapes and restrict their flavours, packaging and marketing

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Will the tax payer foot the bill for my MBA? Awesome.

 

[spectateur]

Yes I would. But apparently Imperial College London has over 1200 members of staff on £100,000 pa…….

But Imps is one of the world's leading science and engineering centres.
It must compete for staff on a world wide basis.