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Eggs said:
….which shows the brilliance of the campaign. Sure, the rise of the minority parties impacted the numbers of both political parties but Starmer concentrated the Party efforts on winning Conservative held constituencies, not stocking up votes in Labour heartlands.

It’s what was needed to succeed, to be elected. Brilliance. Now he has to deliver.
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His hate is so deep, his bitterness so full, he can not see a great strategy that worked to perfection. He just can't bring himself to give credit where credit is due. Dave has turned into a one eyed monster.
 
Eggs said:
….which shows the brilliance of the campaign. Sure, the rise of the minority parties impacted the numbers of both political parties but Starmer concentrated the Party efforts on winning Conservative held constituencies, not stocking up votes in Labour heartlands.

It’s what was needed to succeed, to be elected. Brilliance. Now he has to deliver.
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davek said:
Ha ha ha.

"Now he has to deliver"...that wont be hard. He''s told everyone there's no money to do anything. So doing nothing is a promise kept.
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If you buy into Starmer Labour underperformed in terms of actual votes and the sudden rise of Reform is actually terrifying once you analyse the stats.

Anyway, context is everything. So 14 years ago the Tories squeezed into power and needed a coalition. Then they wasted 7 years of actual power (albeit a minority gov for two years) fighting over problems of their own making. Still managed to keep increasing both their votes and share until collapsing on Thursday.

With over 400 MPs on day one and another 80 Lib Dem/Green/independent MPs that are more aligned ideologically to Starmer's Labour than whoever has led the Tories in recent years. They face a lot of problems, but coming from low enthusiasm for Labour there's a decent path to increase their actual share and votes in 5 years, then 5 years after that. Even if the number of seats keeps dropping.

Reform, unlike UKIP with its one goal, is hollow and vague.
 
edge said:
Yes but Starmer's party won.
Got 200+ more seats
Fact.
No prizes for second place in this game.

It's like trying to say lampard s Everton had crowds of 38,000
Kendal only got 28,000 through the doors of Goodison
so lampard was the better man.
Like lampard ,Corbyn will be rememberd as a decent fella who was out of his depth and a loser.
Starmer and Howard as winners.
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Spat my coffee out thinking you meant micheal Howard at the end!
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
If you buy into Starmer Labour underperformed in terms of actual votes and the sudden rise of Reform is actually terrifying once you analyse the stats.

Anyway, context is everything. So 14 years ago the Tories squeezed into power and needed a coalition. Then they wasted 7 years of actual power (albeit a minority gov for two years) fighting over problems of their own making. Still managed to keep increasing both their votes and share until collapsing on Thursday.

With over 400 MPs on day one and another 80 Lib Dem/Green/independent MPs that are more aligned ideologically to Starmer's Labour than whoever has led the Tories in recent years. They face a lot of problems, but coming from low enthusiasm for Labour there's a decent path to increase their actual share and votes in 5 years, then 5 years after that. Even if the number of seats keeps dropping.

Reform, unlike UKIP with its one goal, is hollow and vague.
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The turn around has been giant, and could happen just as easily. The power of protest (vote) can't be underestimated either. I'm not sorry for sunak at all but he was stitched up, he was a dead duck the moment they selected truss. Facing the sleaze, lies, fraud, and stupidity of those around him meant this record setting defeat was inevitable. I wanted the tories on under 100 seats but that wasn't quite achieved. Sadly. I'm also a little pished off that the rehabilitation of clegg's lib dems is underway.
Labour will be judged on their successes and their failures. I hope they enjoy the honeymoon period and start out well. Make hay whilst the sun shines.
 
By the way, utterly delighted to see that squeaky voiced little turd Jonathan Ashworth dumped out of his seat over the Gaza sell out.*

Just a pity there wasn't a lot more of the 'Labour' hierarchy dumped too.



* waiting now for Starmer to hand him a peerage and bring him into the cabinet anyway.
 
davek said:
By the way, utterly delighted to see that squeaky voiced little turd Jonathan Ashworth dumped out of his seat over the Gaza sell out.*

Just a pity there wasn't a lot more of the 'Labour' hierarchy dumped too.



* waiting now for Starmer to hand him a peerage and bring him into the cabinet anyway.
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George Galloway though ffs…. It’s like ordering Enoch Powell off Wish
 
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