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[Xizor]

I don't get why Starmer ties himself in knots over Corbyn questions. It really shouldn't be any major drama that a Labour MP of any seniority would have preferred a Corbyn win in 2019 over Johnson, it should be the default Labour position that a Labour administration is clearly preferable to a Tory one under almost any circumstance.

There seems to be this paralysing dread where Corbyn is concerned, like he's absolutely terrified that generating a soundbite that could be construed as an endorsement, even now, would give the Tories a foot in the door. I just don't know that Corbyn has got the effect on the general population that both the Tories and Labour's HQs think he does. I haven't heard his name mentioned outside of places like this or the election news in years.

 

[Milkman]

I don't get why Starmer ties himself in knots over Corbyn questions. It really shouldn't be any major drama that a Labour MP of any seniority would have preferred a Corbyn win in 2019 over Johnson, it should be the default Labour position that a Labour administration is clearly preferable to a Tory one under almost any circumstance.

There seems to be this paralysing dread where Corbyn is concerned, like he's absolutely terrified that generating a soundbite that could be construed as an endorsement, even now, would give the Tories a foot in the door. I just don't know that Corbyn has got the effect on the general population that both the Tories and Labour's HQs think he does. I haven't heard his name mentioned outside of places like this or the election news in years.

It's partly because stooges like Starmer have made a rod for their own backs by not quashing the idea that Corbyn was a threat to everyone's lives.

He's been more than happy to carry on with this bogeyman character drummed into people's heads by the right wing press (and Labour right) – this is merely the chickens coming home to roost and I'm all for watching the little weasel squirm.

 

[tsubaki]

I don't get why Starmer ties himself in knots over Corbyn questions. It really shouldn't be any major drama that a Labour MP of any seniority would have preferred a Corbyn win in 2019 over Johnson, it should be the default Labour position that a Labour administration is clearly preferable to a Tory one under almost any circumstance.

There seems to be this paralysing dread where Corbyn is concerned, like he's absolutely terrified that generating a soundbite that could be construed as an endorsement, even now, would give the Tories a foot in the door. I just don't know that Corbyn has got the effect on the general population that both the Tories and Labour's HQs think he does. I haven't heard his name mentioned outside of places like this or the election news in years.

It’s probably because of who has positioned themselves in the background of his leadership, the people for whom Corbyn really was an existential threat. As you say the public are (and largely were even in 2019) split over Corbyn, it’s not like he was as genuinely loathed as Truss was. A lot of people genuinely liked him, and those who didn’t were sustained by a load of media effort that’s largely ceased now.

I think it’s worrying how much effort is being spent on denying Corbynism - I mean, Mandelson is personally campaigning for the Labour candidate up against him, which given the scale of the Labour landslide that appears about to take place is really, really odd behaviour. A confident government with high two figures or three figure majority wouldn’t normally give a fig about one elderly MP, but instead they’re devoting a conspicuous effort to it. If Corbs wins anyway they’ll look prize fools.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I don't get why Starmer ties himself in knots over Corbyn questions. It really shouldn't be any major drama that a Labour MP of any seniority would have preferred a Corbyn win in 2019 over Johnson, it should be the default Labour position that a Labour administration is clearly preferable to a Tory one under almost any circumstance.

There seems to be this paralysing dread where Corbyn is concerned, like he's absolutely terrified that generating a soundbite that could be construed as an endorsement, even now, would give the Tories a foot in the door. I just don't know that Corbyn has got the effect on the general population that both the Tories and Labour's HQs think he does. I haven't heard his name mentioned outside of places like this or the election news in years.

It is a very odd affair that Starmer is held to account for an mp who isn't even in his party anymore, and that his support for him in 2019 is somehow newsworthy compared to the sleaze and stupidity surrounding boris, lettuce and sunackered. the majority of the uk media is (at least to me) very heavily tory pals from school/the club leaning. I wonder if the media scum has tried repeatedly and failed to 'slime' Corbyn and so a principled chap with no dirt to find has to be propagandised against quite so heavily. That there is such a swell of feeling to cast him aside does indicate there is a problem somewhere. Maybe he just can't be bought off.

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

I've never really understood

Could have just left it there.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

It is a very odd affair that Starmer is held to account for an mp who isn't even in his party anymore, and that his support for him in 2019 is somehow newsworthy compared to the sleaze and stupidity surrounding boris, lettuce and sunackered. the majority of the uk media is (at least to me) very heavily tory pals from school/the club leaning. I wonder if the media scum has tried repeatedly and failed to 'slime' Corbyn and so a principled chap with no dirt to find has to be propagandised against quite so heavily. That there is such a swell of feeling to cast him aside does indicate there is a problem somewhere. Maybe he just can't be bought off.

It is only really news or a thing for those that rightly or wrongly put all of their hopes into Corbyn, and also the cons, who are clearly thrashing.

I thought Starmer was for the most part on the money last night. Him being honest about a limited budget and choices having to be made how to spend it might not have resonated with wanting him to scream "I'll nationalise everything" but it will have struck a chord with the majority.

 

[Rita_Poon]

It is only really news or a thing for those that rightly or wrongly put all of their hopes into Corbyn, and also the cons, who are clearly thrashing.

I thought Starmer was for the most part on the money last night. Him being honest about a limited budget and choices having to be made how to spend it might not have resonated with wanting him to scream "I'll nationalise everything" but it will have struck a chord with the majority.

It's where I find myself when I look to 'the future'. Someone to come in and be deadly honest with the state of things, list em, and prioritise the top two or three.
Fixing the backlog in the NHS means allowing some people suffering today to get the help they need and find their way back to work. The longer sick and off work people are, the worse their condition gets and the less likely they ever get back to work. This core fact needs highlighting because for a more productive and prosperous country to pull itself up by the bootstraps it's going to take lifetimes of hard work. The longer it is put off the harder it is to tackle and so the problem spirals. Blaming trans women for story times, boat people, windrush, and the disabled simply isn't going to cut it. The country has had enough of the Nuremburg type tory rallies where everything is sunlit uplands if they are empowered for even more cruelty to even more defenceless victims.

Time's up. Tories out.

 

[Amw79]

I've recorded it. Dont spoil it for me. I'm hoping someone has webbed Starmer all over the shop.

Mild spoiler, if you still haven’t seen it.

Someone does indeed web Starmer all over the shop.

Bad news is, it was Dan Friedkin.

 

[Moomin]

Starmer has impressed me on this.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Starmer has impressed me on this.

More deep fake stuff. It shouldn't be applauded, even if it is funny.

 

[davek]

Red Tory are very serious about decarbonising the economy...

 

[davek]

 

[tsubaki]

You can tell how true that statement is by the fact it has been completely ignored, even as a stick to beat him with, by the wider media.

 

[davek]

You can tell how true that statement is by the fact it has been completely ignored, even as a stick to beat him with, by the wider media.

The PLP are a toxic bunch of neo-cons and racists.

 

[Rita_Poon]

The PLP are a toxic bunch of neo-cons and racists.

We have no other option than to see how this rolls out now. But we should all start out as being very sceptical.

It's like the last 8 years of turmoil never happened and most people here think there's every chance that this takeover will set us right. The overwhelming chances though are that it won't.

We needed a massive step change to get us out of the position we're in. This isn't it.

14 years.
change in governance.

the first sentence and the last bit don't match. they contradict.