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[davids]

You seem a bit obsessed with Rees Mogg mate. I have no idea what he will do, but I do doubt he would support any motion that will come from Labour (which won't be happening imminently). It's currently the Lib Dems/SNP who are pushing hardest for it. Even if he did support the vote it's not really within the control of Labour politicians, less so Labour supporters to be accountable for the actions of what some Tory MP's do.

There are sometimes example's of collusion that go on. There are examples of where left wing parties are involved in it. I am happy to provide numerous examples of this. However I don't think this motion of no confidence, that as yet hasn't arrived (and in all likelihood won't arrive for the foreseeable) which may get the backing of JRM is a particularly adept example of it.

On a final note if you are going to take a critical line of the left, for me the obvious critical line would be the one that sections of the left have treated JRM as some sort of fascistic figure. Or that his position around Brexit is akin to a fascistic position. For the most part it is intellectual nonsense. Maybe this makes me colluding with JRM, but I just see it as being open and honest about how I see an issue.

Don't know about obsession,but I've never mentioned him four times in a post. It's fairly obvious our ideas of Socialism are miles apart.

 

[davids]

What collusion do you see mate? JRM and the Labour Party (or sections of it) have a common enemy but I'm not sure it's collusion. Ourselves and Manchester United have a common enemy in Liverpool but we are not colluding together are we?

Likewise the majority of remainers and leavers hate this deal (particularly the hardened sections of both). Both want to bring it down. I'm not sure either are colluding, or betraying principles are they? Politics like life is is a chaotic business.

Chaotic it is, but transparent is what it should be. The Labour Party should be able to operate without seeking the support of the ERG. Stinks of power at any price.

 

[catcherintherye]

Don't know about obsession,but I've never mentioned him four times in a post. It's fairly obvious our ideas of Socialism are miles apart.

Fair pint buddy. You just seem to be mentioning him in lots of posts thats all. I've never thought he was that bad a gu to be fair, particularly not on Brexit though I disagree with him.

Either way I'll await this collusion between him and the Labour Party to keep mentioning.

 

[catcherintherye]

Chaotic it is, but transparent is what it should be. The Labour Party should be able to operate without seeking the support of the ERG. Stinks of power at any price.

Which is a fair point, but I'm not of what they are currently doing is not transparent? Two different groups seem to be agitating in a transparent way to criticise the government for different reasons.What is your reading?

 

[magicjuan]

Any so called Socialist who could negotiate anything with Reece Mogg needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and think why they entered politics. But sadly for most of them that's becoming transparently clear.

It should be quite easy to negotiste with Mogg as he is fundamentalist conservative and therefore his endgame should be quite apparent, if they don't recognise that then they have no business representing labour.

 

[catcherintherye]

It should be quite easy to negotiste with Mogg as he is fundamentalist conservative and therefore his endgame should be quite apparent, if they don't recognise that then they have no business representing labour.

I don't think there is any evidence of anyone negotiating anything with JRM though mate. There is some suggestion Labour may topple a confidence vote that JRM may well support for entirely different reasons. The two things are quite different.

 

[roydo]

I don't think there is any evidence of anyone negotiating anything with JRM though mate. There is some suggestion Labour may topple a confidence vote that JRM may well support for entirely different reasons. The two things are quite different.

For the life of me, I cant see the point if they were chatting behind the scenes anyrate. If Mogg thinks toppling May equals the Brexit his moronic supporters want because a GE would deliver a Tory result that could deliver one, deluded.
And if he thinks a Labour Govt, with their 6 tests would, jeez, he must have swallowed his monocle.

 

[catcherintherye]

For the life of me, I cant see the point if they were chatting behind the scenes anyrate. If Mogg thinks toppling May equals the Brexit his moronic supporters want because a GE would deliver a Tory result that could deliver one, deluded.
And if he thinks a Labour Govt, with their 6 tests would, jeez, he must have swallowed his monocle.

Yes and this is why there is currently very little collusion between the groups. Thats not me trying to diminish the argument made on here, but there is no evidence for this and it's very unlikely to be evidence of such. If an agreement could be struck it could be done enormously quickly and would have likely been done weeks ago. The truth is that Rees Mogg and the Labour Party are united only in their indifference to this deal.

The strategy is also vastly different. Labour want a wholesale change and an election. Rees Mogg will want to avoid that outcome at all costs and merely change the leader. The ERG are merely looking to push Theresa May to an increasingly "hard" Brexit, or if they are really lucky get one of their members to a position of leadership.

There is no collusion though, and I find it hard to see on what basis any collusion could be made.

 

[davids]

It should be quite easy to negotiste with Mogg as he is fundamentalist conservative and therefore his endgame should be quite apparent, if they don't recognise that then they have no business representing labour.

Maybe I'm too much of an idealist,but a Labour Government should come into being because it's policies are seen by the electorate as beneficial for the country as a whole. Not because they make advances to those who could be seen as enemies of the common people.

 

[summerisle]

 

[The binman chronicles]

May just managed to come out on top against Corbyn in PMQ. Beggars belief really.

 

[Tubey]

May just managed to come out on top against Corbyn in PMQ. Beggars belief really.

It's staggering isn't it? Entirely predictable but staggering nevertheless.

He's the worst party leader I've seen in my lifetime by some distance.

 

[The binman chronicles]

It's staggering isn't it? Entirely predictable but staggering nevertheless.

He's the worst party leader I've seen in my lifetime by some distance.

Well Michael Foot and IDS must run him close. But it is hard to believe that Labour aren't a million miles in front that really any election should be declared a no contest from the start.

The traditional Labour supporters are saying how well he is doing with grassroots and alike, but I see the wider reception as almost a rejection of him and his policies. If only we had someone sitting there who was a viable choice, half of this mess wouldn't have happened.

He will only win by default if the Tories continue to rip themselves apart and even then it will be classed as a tight election!

 

[Harryflashman]

May just managed to come out on top against Corbyn in PMQ. Beggars belief really.

I distance myself from a lot of the corbyn criticism but given her position at the minute it’s hard not to feel he didn’t do nearly enough then .

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

May just managed to come out on top against Corbyn in PMQ. Beggars belief really.

It's staggering isn't it? Entirely predictable but staggering nevertheless.

He's the worst party leader I've seen in my lifetime by some distance.

I distance myself from a lot of the corbyn criticism but given her position at the minute it’s hard not to feel he didn’t do nearly enough then .

Good grief it would have been absolute suicidal naivety to be anything but mediocre today, male opposition leader kicks female PM when she is down, the mass media would have frothed at the mouth along with all the Tories as they rallied around May, the froth fest resumed against Corbyn.

The wider electorate the non politicals were all watching today, not a day you take down a PM down and gloat. Besides today was Corbyn and Labour wanting to get on with Brexit and now its the Tories that look to delay it with leadership contest, let them get on with it.