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[davek]

Dave, last reply on this, don't much care for you're take on Starmer, but if you can't see the difference between Labour and the a Conservatives, then you're blind in my view. Never has the Conservative party been so right wing, some of them are pure evil and will stamp on anyone who gets in their way. They have decimated the Country, taxation hasn't been higher since the second world war, inflation has been sky high the last few years, mortgages sky high, energy bills, petrol, food bills. Tell you what s going well though, foodbanks, demand is at an all time high, we have had refugees sent to Rwanda, now living in floating prisons, shops/ pubs closing everywhere. We have had years of incompetence and lies, where our Country is looked upon as a standing joke, the National debt has quadrupled. Any chance at all to remove these cretins should be jumped on and it won't sadly, be by voting for the Green party.

You should have seen the ones in the 80s...now they were evil.

This lot are just Tory cosplay.

 

[davek]

Fake

This is going to get like a hall of mirrors show: the Manchurian Candidate himself being replicated multiple times.

 

[Wizard]

well, I suppose he might have been referring to the RS

The second "recording" is clearly fake and follows on from the one the other day.

On the LBC interview, it was very weird as he said Israel did have the right to cut off the power and electricity but then follows on by saying that "everything should be done within international law." So either he is covering himself by effectively playing both sides or he just fluffed what he was trying to say. I don't agree with him saying that they have the right to cut off utilities but he did at least mention abiding by International Law which people criticising him seem to be leaving out.

Here is the excerpt from the interview.

 

[davek]

The second "recording" is clearly fake and follows on from the one the other day.

On the LBC interview, it was very weird as he said Israel did have the right to cut off the power and electricity but then follows on by saying that "everything should be done within international law." So either he is covering himself by effectively playing both sides or he just fluffed what he was trying to say. I don't agree with him saying that they have the right to cut off utilities but he did at least mention abiding by International Law which people criticising him seem to be leaving out.

Here is the excerpt from the interview.

There's nothing ambiguous about that. He's clearly stating that Israel have the right to deploy siege tactics on a civilian population.

 

[Wizard]

There's nothing ambiguous about that. He's clearly stating that Israel have the right to deploy siege tactics on a civilian population.

It is literally ambiguous as he says one thing and then immediately says something which would make the first thing impossible. Unless you are just ignoring the bit where he says "everything should be done within international law".

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Looks very much like a government in waiting.

Just the vibe of the Conference in comparison to the Tory one. Full of interest and curiosity.

Starmer conveyed a degree of optimism, ambition and confidence completely devoid from our current Government.

The rebuild narrative strikes a chord - however much that unelected charlatan in Downing Street destroys in the final year of his reign, things can be made better again.

The UK can be rebuilt after 13 years of disastrous Tory rule. The Conservatives are a busted flush.

 

[davek]

It is literally ambiguous as he says one thing and then immediately says something which would make the first thing impossible. Unless you are just ignoring the bit where he says "everything should be done within international law".

No, he states categorically he sees a siege as Israel's right. He then goes on to say that he hopes the whole thing can staying in international law. He then says he doesn't want to go away from the core principle that Israel has the right to defend itself.

In other words he goes back and re-emphaises his first point.

It was quite clear and easy to understand.

 

[davek]

Starmer is taking the chance to underline again to the people he wants to impress in the industrial-financial-military world that he's on the side of might is right and not with the oppressed.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste", as Churchill said.

 

[Goat]

Starmer is taking the chance to underline again to the people he wants to impress in the industrial-financial-military world that he's on the side of might is right and not with the oppressed.

"Never let a good crisis go to waste", as Churchill said.

Labour or the Nazi Party.

Easy choice for me.

Maybe in 2028 I will vote The Greens, if they have a chance, they do have some good policies.

 

[davek]

Labour or the Nazi Party.

Easy choice for me.

Maybe in 2028 I will vote The Greens, if they have a chance, they do have some good policies.

I know you not to be a fool mate. But if you think there's that much difference that it matters between Starmer's Party and the Tories you're deluding yourself...and I think you know it too.

 

[Goat]

I know you not to be a fool mate. But if you think there's that much difference that it matters between Starmer's Party and the Tories you're deluding yourself...and I think you know it too.

I still believe that there are people in The Labour Party that can make a difference.

I know there isnt a single 1 in the Tory Party.

Its a chance im willing to take.

 

[davek]

I still believe that there are people in The Labour Party that can make a difference.

I know there isnt a single 1 in the Tory Party.

Its a chance im willing to take.

It's not even the Blaire sofa government with this feller - it's an autocracy. His henchmen keep order for him in the National Executive shutting down rebellions and expelling people who try it. He said today that any LP MP going against him will be disciplined...the 'Labour Party broad church'...

Getting the picture now....

 

[tsubaki]

The second "recording" is clearly fake and follows on from the one the other day.

On the LBC interview, it was very weird as he said Israel did have the right to cut off the power and electricity but then follows on by saying that "everything should be done within international law." So either he is covering himself by effectively playing both sides or he just fluffed what he was trying to say. I don't agree with him saying that they have the right to cut off utilities but he did at least mention abiding by International Law which people criticising him seem to be leaving out.

Here is the excerpt from the interview.

There’s been an awful lot of sneaky both-siding from our leaders.

 

[Goat]

It's not even the Blaire sofa government with this feller - it's an autocracy. His henchmen keep order for him in the National Executive shutting down rebellions and expelling people who try it. He said today that any LP MP going against him will be disciplined...the 'Labour Party broad church'...

Getting the picture now....

My eyes are wide open David.

 

[Wizard]

No, he states categorically he sees a siege as Israel's right. He then goes on to say that he hopes the whole thing can staying in international law. He then says he doesn't want to go away from the core principle that Israel has the right to defend itself.

In other words he goes back and re-emphaises his first point.

It was quite clear and easy to understand.

So he meant the things that work for your argument but didn't mean the thing that goes against it. Got it.

Just to clarify as I said I don't agree with him saying Israel has the right to cut off utilities but he did also mention straight away about keeping within International Law. That is why I said it was weird and why that part of the interview is ambiguous.