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So I sought out the comments from Abbott (posted below) to see if this was a storm in a teacup situation

I actually think it's perfectly acceptable if they kick her out of the party

Kind of interesting how she mentions all of those horrible regimes but then doesn't mention a certain one that was around in Germany in the 30's and 40's because it doesn't help prove her point

Oppression is not a competition

Racism is black and white


Tomiwa Owolade claims that Irish, Jewish and Traveller people all suffer from “racism” (“Racism in Britain is not a black and white issue. It’s far more complicated”, Comment). They undoubtedly experience prejudice. This is similar to racism and the two words are often used as if they are interchangeable.

It is true that many types of white people with points of difference, such as redheads, can experience this prejudice. But they are not all their lives subject to racism. In pre-civil rights America, Irish people, Jewish people and Travellers were not required to sit at the back of the bus. In apartheid South Africa, these groups were allowed to vote. And at the height of slavery, there were no white-seeming people manacled on the slave ships.
Diane Abbott
House of Commons, London SW1
I'm actually really disappointed. I had time for Abbott and sympathy for her because she did (and still does) take an awful lot of abuse, of which some is racially imbued.

I got the impression she really did get the struggles and subtleties of how inequalities play out for the disadvantaged of all stripes.

This is just leaden.
 
Of course. I don't think it's really done anything, for a number of reasons. The obvious first one is that it was primarily an electoral play and the Tories never really had any interest in it. Being a Johnsonian project, it also leaned heavily towards big infrastructure projects, such as HS2, which, even aside from any actual merit in the thing itself, are nearly always massively over budget and delivered way beyond when they're supposed to. But he loves/loved his vanity projects, so it's been blundered ahead with. It's also a pretty heavily centralised process, with localities applying for funding from Whitehall, who retain the final say on what gets supported. This misses a key opportunity to give communities greater say and agency over their own affairs, which is especially problematic given the significant impact on local government funding since 2010. And don't get me started on free ports.

In our work with communities in the south-east/Anglia (and in France), we found that meaningful results can be achieved in a few different ways, all of which are rather more low-key but are henceforth actually achievable:
  • Invest in community facilities as a priority, as these not only help to build social capital in communities but also help to regain some of the local pride that has been lost after prolonged periods of deprivation. It's difficult for either individuals or communities to thrive if they don't believe it's possible so giving some pride and agency back is important.
  • Tap into net zero, as while there is an obvious demand for things like renewable energy or better insulation, we often lack the skilled people to deliver on that agenda. Addressing this could help to provide both good local jobs and also lower cost energy that is generated and distributed locally. The Co-Op has dipped its toes into this kind of thing but it's not in any way widespread. There is also a good crossover in terms of skills between post-industrial jobs and clean energy jobs so this could be a feasible transition for those communities.
  • Improving digital skills, as while there has been a big push towards things like cybersecurity, data science, and coding, there are many who lack basic digital literacy, which is a huge barrier to participation in our largely digital society. This could help to address significant inequalities in areas such as healthcare and financial services, where many are frozen out.
  • Encourage returnees. Human capital is clearly very important, and there have been a number of projects around the world looking to entice people to, say, coastal communities. These have often focused on artists or digital nomads. It was our argument that these newcomers are often resented because they're outsiders, so instead efforts should be focused on those who left communities for school or work and to try and encourage them to return, bringing their skills, capital, and networks with them.
That's a very nutshell version of our findings anyway.
Thanks for the detailed response. It's really interesting to read and your findings would clearly create real, tangible betterment for many, so clearly the project always needed to be localised, but that was never the remit. As you say, it was launched as an electoral play and therefore it was always going be about big vanity projects.

A wasted opportunity.

How do you report your findings and do you feel like your time has somewhat been wasted, or is that par for the course in research-natured work?
 
Even in draft it's awful. Mind bogglingly, Abbot the single largest victim of much of the racism Mps get was trying to draw different distinction. Growing up from a teenager in Wales being distinctively English suffered racism not just from peers but adults teaching and others. Granted not on the level as black person or Jewish heritage etc. However, everyone can be victim of racism.

yes, there is definitely a hierarchy of racism which she was trying to put across but did it in an extremely idiotic way.
 
Yep I remember an interview with potential leadership candidates he did years before when he said he would get rid of the UKs nuclear weapons.

It didn't really matter if I thought he had some good ideas on other things or was a man of principle. Those principles would undoubtedly have threatened the safety of the nation and ensured he would never have my vote.

Exact same here mate.
 
I'm actually really disappointed. I had time for Abbott and sympathy for her because she did (and still does) take an awful lot of abuse, of which some is racially imbued.

I got the impression she really did get the struggles and subtleties of how inequalities play out for the disadvantaged of all stripes.

This is just leaden.

….I actually wondered if she’s unwell. She lost lots of kudos speaking out strongly against private education then sending her own son to a posh, fee paying school. It doesn’t seem to have done him much good given his subsequent convictions.
 
Maybe. Or would have represented real change, reform and a better future for our kids.
Bernie Sanders in the U.S. at the same time...we blew it.

2017 was the chance and he had the manifesto the country needed.

Boris won on Brexit and a scandalous media campaign against JC, who in truth shouldn't have stood again.
See, I had no huge problem with the majority of the policy positions Corbyn's Labour took. He was however a huge dartboard. I seem to recall an I'll advised pronouncement that he was gunning for the likes of Murdoch. Never going to end well.

A shame, real change is needed and Corbynism offered an insight that appetite is there in a part of the electorate, but he wasn't the man to reach the parts other leaders can't.
 
Thanks for the detailed response. It's really interesting to read and your findings would clearly create real, tangible betterment for many, so clearly the project always needed to be localised, but that was never the remit. As you say, it was launched as an electoral play and therefore it was always going be about big vanity projects.

A wasted opportunity.

How do you report your findings and do you feel like your time has somewhat been wasted, or is that par for the course in research-natured work?
There's always an element of that. We had a decent amount of coverage in academic and policy-related publications, but little real interest from mainstream publications. We also contacted Clive Lewis about the work, thinking that he's a) the local MP so might be interested in how communities like Great Yarmouth might be supported, b) on the select committee for the future of work, and c) a Labour MP who may want to create a clear point of difference with the Tories on an issue that is important to "red wall" communities. Alas, he didn't get back to us. Unfortunately the nature of academic work is that a line of inquiry can often only continue to be pursued when there's funding available, and the well is a bit dry in that regard at the moment (the original work was EU backed).
 
It's relative though, isn't it? Even with the boost in turnout in 2017, the turnout among the young was still about 20% less than it was for the over 65s and lower than every other age group. There's not really any softer way of phrasing things. If young people want their views to be considered, they need to vote more. Regarding the ID situation, yes, I agree, it's a crazy situation, but considering we're talking here about young people wanting change and wanting revolution, yet they're seemingly not wanting it enough to get a form of ID or to vote.

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There's always an element of that. We had a decent amount of coverage in academic and policy-related publications, but little real interest from mainstream publications. We also contacted Clive Lewis about the work, thinking that he's a) the local MP so might be interested in how communities like Great Yarmouth might be supported, b) on the select committee for the future of work, and c) a Labour MP who may want to create a clear point of difference with the Tories on an issue that is important to "red wall" communities. Alas, he didn't get back to us. Unfortunately the nature of academic work is that a line of inquiry can often only continue to be pursued when there's funding available, and the well is a bit dry in that regard at the moment (the original work was EU backed).
There's a couple of ESRC pre-call announcement focusing on trials and interventions address looking at three key areas: sustainable economic growth, health inequalities and community connectedness. Might be worth a sniff if you want to do follow up?

I get the sense your problem is more the 'impact' side - getting the ear of policy makers is notoriously difficult and this weeks hot agenda is next weeks passing fad. Know a few folk who have been 'right topic, right time' and got traction for a short period in their area before a near total drop off of interest.
 
There's a couple of ESRC pre-call announcement focusing on trials and interventions address looking at three key areas: sustainable economic growth, health inequalities and community connectedness. Might be worth a sniff if you want to do follow up?

I get the sense your problem is more the 'impact' side - getting the ear of policy makers is notoriously difficult and this weeks hot agenda is next weeks passing fad. Know a few folk who have been 'right topic, right time' and got traction for a short period in their area before a near total drop off of interest.
Yeah, pretty much that. From experience, perseverance tends to help in that regard (a long time to become an overnight success and all that), but there are few incentives to persevere when everything is pushing toward the next thing.
 
Yeah, pretty much that. From experience, perseverance tends to help in that regard (a long time to become an overnight success and all that), but there are few incentives to persevere when everything is pushing toward the next thing.
Long term stuff and critical mass tends to achieve the greatest traction. I've been involved with the last two Research Excellence Frameworks (REF) around impact and the top graded stuff tends to be 10 years plus in the making.
 
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