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[JimmyJeffers]

I doubt the majority of the British electorate knows a great deal about anything they're asked to vote on to be perfectly honest, and I include myself in that. If you think about the typical manifesto, they usually identify a problem (or more commonly a whole bunch of them), they propose various solutions, and then highlight why they're the best people to implement those solutions.

We're then asked to judge based on all three of those areas despite having absolutely no clue about any of them bar tribal loyalty, the sniff test, or what we're told by others. It's not really a surprise that we get such utter bellends in charge of things.

I agree but then you have to think, who’s deciding the British population reject socialist policies? I doubt the majority of people even read the manifestos. It’s just parroting what they read and see in the media.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I agree but then you have to think, who’s deciding the British population reject socialist policies? I doubt the majority of people even read the manifestos. It’s just parroting what they read and see in the media.

Oh for sure, the media are influential, but the media being opposed to socialism doesn't make socialism right either. The reality seems to be that most forms of government are okay if you have good people in charge, but the question is what can the public do if there aren't good people in charge?

 

[Rita_Poon]

Oh for sure, the media are influential, but the media being opposed to socialism doesn't make socialism right either. The reality seems to be that most forms of government are okay if you have good people in charge, but the question is what can the public do if there aren't good people in charge?

as is about to happen, hopefully organised nationwide.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Oh for sure, the media are influential, but the media being opposed to socialism doesn't make socialism right either. The reality seems to be that most forms of government are okay if you have good people in charge, but the question is what can the public do if there aren't good people in charge?

That implies the public know (or care) if there are good people in charge. I have no doubt that Johnson would have won the next election if he’d stayed with a front bench proved to have been corrupt, inept and bullying.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That implies the public know (or care) if there are good people in charge. I have no doubt that Johnson would have won the next election if he’d stayed with a front bench proved to have been corrupt, inept and bullying.

Obviously having morally good people is great, but I was primarily thinking of good in terms of being competent.

 

[Connor]

Hahahahahahahha, pathetic

 

[BullensRoad]

Hahahahahahahha, pathetic

Why would there be at a Labour conference?

 

[spectateur]

This kind of comment doesn't help matters. It's like anything right of Stalin is "Tory light". Whether we like it or not, the Tories have won something like 70% of the elections in the past 100 years or so. We might think that says something about the leanings of the British public and who Labour need to appeal to, and it's not socialists.

Tories have ruled for 70% of the time mainly due to the aid provided by the unrepresentative election process.
I don't think that they have had more 50% of the popular vote in all of that time.

 

[Tin-Tin]

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Problem then lies in if you appeal to they demographic to get elected, you will stick to supporting what will keep you in power and get you reelected and avoid any unpopular social policies with that demographic mate

That is the problem with politics, power of principle - Trus being a case study in too many of these career politicians.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Was that sing-song conducted under threat of some guy with a machine gun? Uncomfortable and forced doesnt do it justice.

 

[spectateur]

They'd better agree to put it in their manifesto, otherwise the tories will rule forever.

 

[Chewbacca]

PR is the only game changer in town. Unfortunately a significant minority in this country will vote for fascism. FPTP allows this minority to gain power, especially after they have gerrymandered the country. PR at least allows the majority of the country to block or at worst moderate their malign influence.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Dunno mate if the labour party effectively tailors it's policies away from socialism and towards the centre right then isn't it in essence not really the labour party anymore in anything but it's name?

It then simply becomes voting for the lesser of two evils in essence.

To a degree Thatcher broke socialism in the country (not talking so much about the unions but more so about selling the 'me first' way if thinking). Blair and Brown weren't - they where both center right politicians in truth, as evidenced by policy decisions.

In what way were Blair and Brown centre right?

 

[JimmyJeffers]

In what way were Blair and Brown centre right?

‘In 2002, twelve years after Margaret Thatcher left office, she was asked at a dinner what was her greatest achievement. Thatcher replied: “Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds.”’

Thatcherism’s greatest achievement

In 2002, twelve years after Margaret Thatcher left office, she was asked at a dinner what was her greatest achievement. Thatcher replied: “Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our …

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