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Just seen Reeves comments that Labour won't nationalise rail, energy or water.

Really struggling to see the point of voting for them, not far off the Tory party at the moment.
No Labour party has been in government for 40 odd years on a "nationalise everything" ticket. The point of voting for them is to get the Tories out. Surely that's obvious?
 
No Labour party has been in government for 40 odd years on a "nationalise everything" ticket. The point of voting for them is to get the Tories out. Surely that's obvious?
They have to offer something though. They can’t just expect to be elected on the grounds that they’re not the tories. Is the same in the states. It’s just kicking the can down the road until we get someone even more abhorrent or incompetent in power.
They have to have a message and some identity other than ‘we’re not tories’
 
No Labour party has been in government for 40 odd years on a "nationalise everything" ticket. The point of voting for them is to get the Tories out. Surely that's obvious?

Nationalising basic necessities/utilities is not nationalising everything.

It's going to be challenging to improve standard of living for the poor and working class without more control in these industries.
 
They have to offer something though. They can’t just expect to be elected on the grounds that they’re not the tories. Is the same in the states. It’s just kicking the can down the road until we get someone even more abhorrent or incompetent in power.
They have to have a message and some identity other than ‘we’re not tories’

But why would you vote for a party that's basically the same.
I suppose for me there is both what the government does and how it does it. Domestically, the Tories have done naff all since 2019, yet they're on their knees because of how they've gone about their job, so just pledging to reinject some honesty, decency, and accountability into government would go a bloody long towards convincing many people, as it's those things that have so turned them off of the Tories.

There are lots of things Labour could do to differentiate themselves from the Tories, but I would regard nationalising stuff in the same way I'd regard "reversing Brexit". It's not a vote winner, and it would be a very short memory indeed if people forget that Corbyn got an absolute thumping at the last election on that kind of "extreme" ticket.

There also has to be a very real consideration being given to the fact that we might have a coalition government with the LDs, Greens and SNP. That remains the most realistic way of ensuring the Tories don't get back in, and that would require some compromises and a more centrist ticket than hardcore Labour members would undoubtedly like. That wouldn't make them "Tories" though, or even "Tory lite", and it's a bit childish to throw those accusations about.
 
But why would you vote for a party that's basically the same.
Because we have had 12 years of Tory lies, corruption and deceit.

The country is on its arse because of them, with all they have bestowed upon the nation, starting with the austerity lie, followed by the Brexit lie then the various other multitude of lies and deceit which have followed.

I mean, surely that’s reason alone why we need change.
 
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