TheFinnFan
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9 games 8 points. Out of Europe. Chelsea away in the cup. Bottom 3. Who can back him with straight face
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Isn't that what Walsh was brought in for ?????????
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kenada_blue
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4 pages though...
We’ve lost by bigger margins to the Arsenal over the years, and with a full complement of players on the pitch.
A change of formation was required second half as Ashley Williams, who appears to have turned a corner in his last two appearances, was already on a yellow card. He will be vital to the cause over the next two or three matches.
Vlasic has proved a find.
Keane is a player of the future and is already showing signs of settling in; he will come good.
Sigurdsson is still a quality player.
Rooney is an all time great; that is a given and won’t change. His off-field behaviour has, understandably, caused him to become distracted; he has let us all down, but time is a great healer. He will turn this around. This was beyond Koeman’s control.
For me, the jury on Klassen is still out. Perhaps it’s still too early to make a decision about his ability. Still, you don’t play for Ajax - and as captain - unless you can play a bit. Could prove a valuable squad player when we need to rotate should success eventually come our way.
Pickford - MOTM. Okay, there’s criticism about some of his distributive play - even Koeman openly expressed his frustration about that aspect of his play at least once today, but to be fair we were in the grip of storm Ryan, or whatever they’ve decided to christen this latest breeze, and that’s easily resolved with a bit of appropriate coaching. Frankly, this doesn’t bother me in the least. As long as he’s good between the sticks, that’ll do for me. Fact is: he’s great!
‘Too many number tens and no width’ - how many times has that phrase appeared even today? Agreed about the tens, but to be fair, Mirallas started against Lyon, and Holgate blagged Koeman that he could do a Coleman. Lookman has made an appearance in both of the last two games and Baines was back today to provide some width on the left. We still have the return of Bolassie and Coleman to look forward to, and Lennon is still in the running. This also flies in the face - even though it’s only of late - of complaints that he employs the same old tactics to no avail time and time again (can he really be pandering to the public dissatisfactions of the crowd, given that many of his harshest critics accuse him of stubbornness and arrogance? This would surely be a contradiction in terms?).
Before I leave the topic of wide play, it could be argued that there is no point in playing wingers if there is no target man to cross to, and perhaps Koeman knows this (I do, without doubt, he does too). “But that’s precisely our point,” many of you will assert, in reference to the lack of a replacement for Lakaku. In an ideal world, I believe a current Arsenal incumbent in the form of Giroud would have occupied this position and to great effect. But here the gods, in one form or another, appear to have conspired against him, and without knowing the full ins and outs of club politics, we don’t really know how much control he had over this debacle. An impending transfer window could yet come up trumps; Giroud was notable by his absence yet again today, so who knows what the future holds in that respect?
Koeman was hired as a long term project; money was promised, and was made available by the board (£200 million to date?) with the implication of further funding available for players over the course of his tenure. As I understood it, this tenure was to be reviewed after three seasons - we needed to rebuild, which takes time, and Koeman would not have taken up his post without that fundamental reassurance of the board. As yet, Koeman has not even reached the half way point of that evaluation and we are still only several weeks into the season; technically we still have everything to play for. Is it unreasonable, therefore, to allow him the time that was promised him when he undertook the role? How would you feel in that position if the goal posts were suddenly moved?
Moshiri, from what we can gather, honourably intends to stand by Koeman’s contract including any mutual agreement(s) made, stating that Koeman has his and the board’s continued support. That’s what I would expect to hear from a noble club such as ours, although whether this rhetoric is simply hollow remains to be seen. To take him at his word, that’s a brave statement under the circumstances and contrasts starkly with allegations of cowardice on the field, although I certainly couldn’t see any evidence of that today (Gana was even sent packing for his gallant efforts).
Why did he have to buy so many players in the summer, especially when two or three are iterations, and why doesn’t he give the ‘kids’ a chance? I’m not sure myself about the first, although obviously he has a plan (player rotation? Not such a bad thing if you consider yourself a serious contender four three or four competitions), but in respect of the second, I know I’m going against the grain here, but frankly apart frim DCL and Davies (to a point), I’ve not seen anything to inspire confidence (I’m not going to name and embarrass individuals here), so I don’t blame him looking to strengthen the squad, on paper at least, from outside. IMHO of course.
To be honest, I share many of the misgivings about Mr. Koeman at present, and given our current form, why wouldn’t I/we? But I like to think I’m fair minded, which is why I decided to draw some positives from all this by writing the above list. Whether it might mitigate his performance to date or hopefully even serve to shed a little positive light on our current dilemma, only the reader can decide.
At the end of the day, I just hate to see him suffer.
A change of formation was required second half as Ashley Williams, who appears to have turned a corner in his last two appearances, was already on a yellow card. He will be vital to the cause over the next two or three matches.
Vlasic has proved a find.
Keane is a player of the future and is already showing signs of settling in; he will come good.
Sigurdsson is still a quality player.
Rooney is an all time great; that is a given and won’t change. His off-field behaviour has, understandably, caused him to become distracted; he has let us all down, but time is a great healer. He will turn this around. This was beyond Koeman’s control.
For me, the jury on Klassen is still out. Perhaps it’s still too early to make a decision about his ability. Still, you don’t play for Ajax - and as captain - unless you can play a bit. Could prove a valuable squad player when we need to rotate should success eventually come our way.
Pickford - MOTM. Okay, there’s criticism about some of his distributive play - even Koeman openly expressed his frustration about that aspect of his play at least once today, but to be fair we were in the grip of storm Ryan, or whatever they’ve decided to christen this latest breeze, and that’s easily resolved with a bit of appropriate coaching. Frankly, this doesn’t bother me in the least. As long as he’s good between the sticks, that’ll do for me. Fact is: he’s great!
‘Too many number tens and no width’ - how many times has that phrase appeared even today? Agreed about the tens, but to be fair, Mirallas started against Lyon, and Holgate blagged Koeman that he could do a Coleman. Lookman has made an appearance in both of the last two games and Baines was back today to provide some width on the left. We still have the return of Bolassie and Coleman to look forward to, and Lennon is still in the running. This also flies in the face - even though it’s only of late - of complaints that he employs the same old tactics to no avail time and time again (can he really be pandering to the public dissatisfactions of the crowd, given that many of his harshest critics accuse him of stubbornness and arrogance? This would surely be a contradiction in terms?).
Before I leave the topic of wide play, it could be argued that there is no point in playing wingers if there is no target man to cross to, and perhaps Koeman knows this (I do, without doubt, he does too). “But that’s precisely our point,” many of you will assert, in reference to the lack of a replacement for Lakaku. In an ideal world, I believe a current Arsenal incumbent in the form of Giroud would have occupied this position and to great effect. But here the gods, in one form or another, appear to have conspired against him, and without knowing the full ins and outs of club politics, we don’t really know how much control he had over this debacle. An impending transfer window could yet come up trumps; Giroud was notable by his absence yet again today, so who knows what the future holds in that respect?
Koeman was hired as a long term project; money was promised, and was made available by the board (£200 million to date?) with the implication of further funding available for players over the course of his tenure. As I understood it, this tenure was to be reviewed after three seasons - we needed to rebuild, which takes time, and Koeman would not have taken up his post without that fundamental reassurance of the board. As yet, Koeman has not even reached the half way point of that evaluation and we are still only several weeks into the season; technically we still have everything to play for. Is it unreasonable, therefore, to allow him the time that was promised him when he undertook the role? How would you feel in that position if the goal posts were suddenly moved?
Moshiri, from what we can gather, honourably intends to stand by Koeman’s contract including any mutual agreement(s) made, stating that Koeman has his and the board’s continued support. That’s what I would expect to hear from a noble club such as ours, although whether this rhetoric is simply hollow remains to be seen. To take him at his word, that’s a brave statement under the circumstances and contrasts starkly with allegations of cowardice on the field, although I certainly couldn’t see any evidence of that today (Gana was even sent packing for his gallant efforts).
Why did he have to buy so many players in the summer, especially when two or three are iterations, and why doesn’t he give the ‘kids’ a chance? I’m not sure myself about the first, although obviously he has a plan (player rotation? Not such a bad thing if you consider yourself a serious contender four three or four competitions), but in respect of the second, I know I’m going against the grain here, but frankly apart frim DCL and Davies (to a point), I’ve not seen anything to inspire confidence (I’m not going to name and embarrass individuals here), so I don’t blame him looking to strengthen the squad, on paper at least, from outside. IMHO of course.
To be honest, I share many of the misgivings about Mr. Koeman at present, and given our current form, why wouldn’t I/we? But I like to think I’m fair minded, which is why I decided to draw some positives from all this by writing the above list. Whether it might mitigate his performance to date or hopefully even serve to shed a little positive light on our current dilemma, only the reader can decide.
At the end of the day, I just hate to see him suffer.
everton2004
Player Valuation: £35m
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
Out of all our managers, no one pulled off the disheveled tramp beard look better than Ronald Koeman.
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
There is a viable option to take over though.
Who might that be mate?
Eggsyblueskin
Player Valuation: £40m
Understandably the vilification of Koeman will continue unabated. But he never came here to fail, every manager or player comes here to succeed. I do not exonerate myself I still denigrate former managers , it’s stupid, they came here dreaming of success. They failed but they all tried.
We were once one of the top clubs domestically, but sadly we have never made the step up to join the Real Madrid’s or Bayern Munich’s et al.
Tonight though one question burns in my mind.
Did Kenwright truly turn down the overtures of the future owners of Man. City?
Because if the persistent rumours have any veracity he and he alone has consigned us to obscurity and should be held to account.
We were once one of the top clubs domestically, but sadly we have never made the step up to join the Real Madrid’s or Bayern Munich’s et al.
Tonight though one question burns in my mind.
Did Kenwright truly turn down the overtures of the future owners of Man. City?
Because if the persistent rumours have any veracity he and he alone has consigned us to obscurity and should be held to account.
Cork Evertonian
Player Valuation: £50m
You probably will scoff but the dude in my avator mate.Unsy will do a job until the end of the season.He'll get the team playing with some fight and belief at least.
Darth Toffeeman
Player Valuation: £40m
It is not just this season for me.
The league was so bad last season that finishing 7th made us look competent.
Bar Man City home when we where extremely clinical we have had no memorable games. Barkley and Lukaku swatted aside the bottom 13 at home.
Away we are turgid. Failed to score v Boro Swansea, West Ham, Southampton and one away win this calendar year back in January when Palace wanted the ball kicking out for a downed cheating player.
There is no defence for Koeman. The problems appear to run deeper but the fact is you or I could achieve the same results and he is payed £6m a year for the privilege. The team has no fight or organisation. A total shambles that has been gradually getting worse since this season started.
The league was so bad last season that finishing 7th made us look competent.
Bar Man City home when we where extremely clinical we have had no memorable games. Barkley and Lukaku swatted aside the bottom 13 at home.
Away we are turgid. Failed to score v Boro Swansea, West Ham, Southampton and one away win this calendar year back in January when Palace wanted the ball kicking out for a downed cheating player.
There is no defence for Koeman. The problems appear to run deeper but the fact is you or I could achieve the same results and he is payed £6m a year for the privilege. The team has no fight or organisation. A total shambles that has been gradually getting worse since this season started.
Frank Butcher
Player Valuation: £500k
It is beyond farcical now, he simply has to go. These performances are absolutely disguisting.
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