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[davek]

Bet Muslim council intervention today into the Tory Government/Party won't get the same media coverage, wonder why!?
However, just on numbers, and let's be honest it is what this is about, Muslim v Jewish and who is talking to who, I know which vote I would be cavorting.

The Tories hate Muslims. If I was a Muslim I'd be much more fearful of the Tories than any Jew has to be from Labour...which is an utterly confected threat.

 

[peteblue]

You should be ashamed of yourself voting Tory.

We want very similar things. Increase in standard of living for all, support for those that need it, a great NHS, free schooling....I just happen to believe that you need a growing economy to pay for it all. Corbyn and McDonnell will attempt to buy their way to power through giveaways and debt, and then have to raise everyone’s taxes to attempt to pay for it. I also do not trust Corbyn to actually be on the side of the U.K....

 

[summerisle]

We want very similar things. Increase in standard of living for all, support for those that need it, a great NHS, free schooling....I just happen to believe that you need a growing economy to pay for it all. Corbyn and McDonnell will attempt to buy their way to power through giveaways and debt, and then have to raise everyone’s taxes to attempt to pay for it. I also do not trust Corbyn to actually be on the side of the U.K....

*Still awaiting publication of the Russian select committee report.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

We want very similar things. Increase in standard of living for all, support for those that need it, a great NHS, free schooling....I just happen to believe that you need a growing economy to pay for it all. Corbyn and McDonnell will attempt to buy their way to power through giveaways and debt, and then have to raise everyone’s taxes to attempt to pay for it. I also do not trust Corbyn to actually be on the side of the U.K....

And Trump said Jump and Boris asked how high. So not a principled position on being on the side of the UK...

 

[davek]

We want very similar things. Increase in standard of living for all, support for those that need it, a great NHS, free schooling....I just happen to believe that you need a growing economy to pay for it all. Corbyn and McDonnell will attempt to buy their way to power through giveaways and debt, and then have to raise everyone’s taxes to attempt to pay for it. I also do not trust Corbyn to actually be on the side of the U.K....

There are very many capitalists coming around to the view that we need a massive stimulus for the economy that can only come from government. There's a crisis of underinvestment and undercapacity. The normal way of organising our economy is dead. It just wont work anymore.

 

[dwightschrute]

We want very similar things. Increase in standard of living for all, support for those that need it, a great NHS, free schooling....I just happen to believe that you need a growing economy to pay for it all. Corbyn and McDonnell will attempt to buy their way to power through giveaways and debt, and then have to raise everyone’s taxes to attempt to pay for it. I also do not trust Corbyn to actually be on the side of the U.K....

We've barely grown since 2008... and good look with growth when the canada style trade deal Johnson wants takes shape.. another lost decade and callous austerity in response

 

[summerisle]

"It is abundantly clear to many Muslims that the Conservative party tolerate Islamophobia, allow it to fester in society".

Looking forward to the response of Johnson.

General election 2019: Muslim Council criticises Tories over Islamophobia

The Muslim Council of Britain accuses the Conservatives of a "blind spot for this type of racism".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[peteblue]

We've barely grown since 2008... and good look with growth when the canada style trade deal Johnson wants takes shape.. another lost decade and callous austerity in response to the mess left behind by the last Labour government.

I finished your sentence for you.....

 

[larrygobfiend]

I finished your sentence for you.....

National debt has doubled since the tories came in, hasn’t it?

 

[peteblue]

National debt has doubled

Until borrowing becomes negative, the cumulative national debt obviously keeps going up. Annual borrowing has been dropping ever since the Tories took control of the dogs dinner left by Brown.....

 

[Blue 1]

We've barely grown since 2008... and good look with growth when the canada style trade deal Johnson wants takes shape.. another lost decade and callous austerity in response to the global financial crash.

I finished your sentence for you.....

Don't worry @peteblue , I fixed it for you.

Bit of an early start for you today fella?

 

[tsubaki]

We want very similar things. Increase in standard of living for all, support for those that need it, a great NHS, free schooling....I just happen to believe that you need a growing economy to pay for it all. Corbyn and McDonnell will attempt to buy their way to power through giveaways and debt, and then have to raise everyone’s taxes to attempt to pay for it. I also do not trust Corbyn to actually be on the side of the U.K....

This is to ignore what has actually happened though, pete.

Governments of all stripes since 1979 have taken a decision to "cut back the state" whilst paying for firms and others to provide the service that the state used to have direct control of. The end result is that government spending has kept going up despite measures like things being sold off, services being cut or austerity imposed elsewhere - the state isnt willing for the service to not be provided (or not be provided adequately) because they'd lose out politically, so they keep handing over the cash to keep it going. Spending on things like education, housing, the NHS and others is as a result a lot more expensive than it should be - but the politicians don't get criticised (and get to boast about "new" facilities), and the firms hand over some of the cash to make sure the deals continue.

What is (finally) being offered at this election is that one party is actually proposing to partially reverse this process, which if it is done properly will result in government spending going down in the medium to long term. I think they should be supported for doing it.

 

[peteblue]

Don't worry @peteblue , I fixed it for you.

Bit of an early start for you today fella?

Off to the pub shortly....

 

[Blue 1]

Off to the pub shortly....

Enjoy. Would love to say the same.

 

[peteblue]

This is to ignore what has actually happened though, pete.

Governments of all stripes since 1979 have taken a decision to "cut back the state" whilst paying for firms and others to provide the service that the state used to have direct control of. The end result is that government spending has kept going up despite measures like things being sold off, services being cut or austerity imposed elsewhere - the state isnt willing for the service to not be provided (or not be provided adequately) because they'd lose out politically, so they keep handing over the cash to keep it going. Spending on things like education, housing, the NHS and others is as a result a lot more expensive than it should be - but the politicians don't get criticised (and get to boast about "new" facilities), and the firms hand over some of the cash to make sure the deals continue.

What is (finally) being offered at this election is that one party is actually proposing to partially reverse this process, which if it is done properly will result in government spending going down in the medium to long term. I think they should be supported for doing it.

And your confidence is placed into the hands of a serial ditherer, a man who couldn’t run the finances of a whelk stall, and Dianne Abbott....good luck trying to convince people of that one......