Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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Full fibre was already estimated upto £50 billion by Openreach before this progressive Labour policy... In modern UK being without broadband is really not attainable position anymore.
Why nationalise though, why not just fund adequately? Not sure I’m comfortable with the state controlling the internet. Exactly the opposite of what was intended but inevitable I suppose.
 
Have to agree with Vine.

This is a devastatingly simple question that utterly floors him.


Someone call the cops, there's been a murder.

Why can't they just be honest? I'd have more respect for Johnson if he'd said something like "I'm probably not that relatable, I had a hugely priveleged upbringing, have never wanted for anything and have no experience of the hardships many people face, but I'm willing to learn and do whatever I can to help improve their lives".

Although the second part of that answer would also be a massive porky, in fairness.
 
The coverage and general feeling around the election does have me a little stumped.

The Tories seem to be fighting a pretty erratic campaign, where Johnson comes across awkwardly and in an out of touch way. There seems to be little message discipline, it's gone from 1.2 trillion, to Corbyn's a racist, to 20k police officers, back to there'll be loads of immigrants, with a bus with get brexit done. If I didn't know better I'd say it was a bit of mess and chaotic thinking.

The fact he was busy making videos about marmite with his back to the camera while the north of England were flooded (where he's targeting voters) is again odd.

Then you have the polls which are closing all the time. Labour are within about 8 points on poll of polls, and with the more accurate companies (survation) have closed 4 points last week in what was a pretty modest week for them and are within 6 points. When you factor in the constituency polling that suggests the Tories really struggling to win a majority.

The pattern being followed is now at 2017. Labour got a massive boost at this point then with the manifesto launch, so it will be interesting to see if that happens again. If it does the cat is well amongst the pigeons.

Yet more political seem sanguine to the point the tories are going to win a massive majority. They seem absolutely certain of it (more so than in 2017). If I'm honest I am not sure what they are basing it on (beyond the BXP losing a lot of support allowing the tories to get to a bigger vote share. How hard they can further beat them down, I don't know.

So it's hard to tell much more at this point. The debates and manifesto's will be important.

My gut feeling is that the Tories will still be a fair bit lower than the 50+ seat majority they are predicting. I still fancy a Tory-Lib Dem agreement of some sort in the next Parliament.
 
Why nationalise though, why not just fund adequately? Not sure I’m comfortable with the state controlling the internet. Exactly the opposite of what was intended but inevitable I suppose.

Who said anything about controlling the internet.

NHS is free but we still use private hospitals. It’s only the cheap home isps will go down. Businesses ISP and ISPs that do a premium service will be fine. My only concern would be a fire walled state only owned internet, but the Tories and Libs have been wanting that over the last 9 years, so I'll dismiss the sudden concern of impartial internet with hypocrisy and vigour it deserves.

Controlling the internet, yeh google and that, indeed, what day to day search engines offers is just a fish pond of information that can be found by the entire internet, it’s really like a vast ocean. Most people are presented with a nice tidy little convenient package of the internet, like big Mac meal of nutritious information. So the fish pond internet is controlled.

We were never plugged in Neo!You plug yourself in;)
 
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The coverage and general feeling around the election does have me a little stumped.

The Tories seem to be fighting a pretty erratic campaign, where Johnson comes across awkwardly and in an out of touch way. There seems to be little message discipline, it's gone from 1.2 trillion, to Corbyn's a racist, to 20k police officers, back to there'll be loads of immigrants, with a bus with get brexit done. If I didn't know better I'd say it was a bit of mess and chaotic thinking.

The fact he was busy making videos about marmite with his back to the camera while the north of England were flooded (where he's targeting voters) is again odd.

Then you have the polls which are closing all the time. Labour are within about 8 points on poll of polls, and with the more accurate companies (survation) have closed 4 points last week in what was a pretty modest week for them and are within 6 points. When you factor in the constituency polling that suggests the Tories really struggling to win a majority.

The pattern being followed is now at 2017. Labour got a massive boost at this point then with the manifesto launch, so it will be interesting to see if that happens again. If it does the cat is well amongst the pigeons.

Yet more political seem sanguine to the point the tories are going to win a massive majority. They seem absolutely certain of it (more so than in 2017). If I'm honest I am not sure what they are basing it on (beyond the BXP losing a lot of support allowing the tories to get to a bigger vote share. How hard they can further beat them down, I don't know.

So it's hard to tell much more at this point. The debates and manifesto's will be important.

My gut feeling is that the Tories will still be a fair bit lower than the 50+ seat majority they are predicting. I still fancy a Tory-Lib Dem agreement of some sort in the next Parliament.
I think the problem is that people who previously voted Conservative who have become disenfranchised with them don’t have a political hole to drop into. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised on quite a low voter turnout, which arguably is what Johnson is backing on.
 
I think the problem is that people who previously voted Conservative who have become disenfranchised with them don’t have a political hole to drop into. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised on quite a low voter turnout, which arguably is what Johnson is backing on.

Yes I think you are absolutely right with this. The key to Labour, as with the last election will be getting people out to vote.

The polling companies have not adjusted those weightings (in fact some have further weighted against this).

What I find interesting is that voter turnout at a comparable stage to 2017 is up at around 50% for under 25's and 40% for under 35's. That would not generally be consistent with them not wanting to turn out. And it surprised me, as I remember this was a big operation in 2017 and felt like a massive thing, so for that to be just as big as then without the same fan fair really surprised me.

I think this is a really volatile election. There are floods, weather warnings, it's dark, cold, potentially icy. I think the public are very angry and don't quite know where to turn that anger. Jeremy Corbyn (and people probably know I'm a supporter of his) is exceptionally unpopular in terms of polling. Johnson is also unpopular (particularly for someone so new into the job) and looks really awkward on TV answering even simple questions (I think he will be toast in these TV debates).
There is then the question of implicit tactical voting and a far greater awareness of this information.

To me it's a very open election. I'm not really willing to make any big calls at this stage.
 

He's nailed himself. I know people seem to have the view this fella is some sort of secret weapon to Tory victory but I just don't see it. For me he's worse than May and streets behind Cameron/Osborne. Whatever idiot decided to risk his 40 odd point advantage over Corbyn on live debates needs sacking.

He has absolutely no idea why anyone can relate to him. Not a clue. And he is unable to lie in any way convincingly. I've said it a few times, it's Ben Johnson off the Thick of it.
 
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