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[peteblue]

i literally have no idea mate lol

i wouldnt dismiss it out of hand, its a forward thinking policy..broadband is going to be as important as electricity eventually, i wouldnt worry as this will never happen as labour wont get a majority but at least it will start a conversation..i fully expect tories to come out with a broadband policy now

Boris has been banging on about broadband rollout for a while, what he’s not done is suggest that it should be free. In terms of this Labour policy it’s just like having another NHS but it’s for Telecomms, free, it‘s free, but how much every year does it cost us to run.....

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I can't think of many large infrastructure projects that have come in on time and on budget. That's kind of my point. I'm not saying these things aren't possible, or even that Labour's idea of raising borrowing to invest in infrastructure doesn't have a degree of merit. What I object to is both the scale of things they want to do, the absurdity of some of them, and the ease with which they believe they'll achieve them.

The manifesto in 2017 was ridiculous enough with Brexit on the agenda, but they're outdoing themselves thus far (with Brexit still on the agenda). I mean I can't think of any government in the world that wants to change society to the extent Labour are proposing, and certainly not in peace time. It's bonkers.

Labour's economic ideas would raise the state's involvement in the economy to a level not seen (in my opinion) since the 1940s. It is a radical plan. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing is the reason we have elections.

Government has proved, time and again, however that it is unbelievably inept at delivering large infrastructure projects to time and budget. If this is really investment, then what is the return on it, how long before BT brings 100bn into the exchequer? Because without that part, this is an ideological project.

If you're a remainer planning on voting Labour, incidentally, you may wish to consider that this scheme is currently illegal under EU law.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

I think those that really want Labour to win will love all this giveaway stuff. Many Labour supporters probably don’t believe any of it anyway, and supporters of other parties will just laugh it off. Politicians tell lies to gain power, they all do it, it’s just that it’s now being taken to absurd levels....

I often wondered in my younger years why the Lib Dems didn't just promise everybody free sweets and a back rub as it wasn't like they were ever going to have to make it happen.

 

[peteblue]

I can't think of many large infrastructure projects that have come in on time and on budget. That's kind of my point. I'm not saying these things aren't possible, or even that Labour's idea of raising borrowing to invest in infrastructure doesn't have a degree of merit. What I object to is both the scale of things they want to do, the absurdity of some of them, and the ease with which they believe they'll achieve them.

The manifesto in 2017 was ridiculous enough with Brexit on the agenda, but they're outdoing themselves thus far (with Brexit still on the agenda). I mean I can't think of any government in the world that wants to change society to the extent Labour are proposing, and certainly not in peace time. It's bonkers.

They rarely do Bruce, because that’s how the companies involved make money. The only time they hit a date is when the date is immovable, Y2K, Olympics, etc, and then the ‘initial costings’ invariably treble.....

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I spoke with the guys behind Zen Internet a few months ago, and they have been one of the few employment beacons of light in Rochdale (you know, the kind of town that should be helped). But yeah. Nationalise the lot of them.

Rather dramatic and very misleading probably by mistake, a little information is dangerous. There is a distinct difference from an ISP and Openreach. Labour just want to nationalise the network which is Openreach, and already often finds itself in court with ISPs.

Don't think there is anything about individual ISPs being privatised. I would imagine it would be a limited free service... A choice of paid ISP with all the whistle and bells would be available. Besides, Tax Payer or Bill payer we end up paying for Openreach it's part funded by taxpayer and bill payer already. And Labour costing is certainly more appealing than BT Openreach...

 

[peteblue]

Labour's economic ideas would raise the state's involvement in the economy to a level not seen (in my opinion) since the 1940s. It is a radical plan. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing is the reason we have elections.

Government has proved, time and again, however that it is unbelievably inept at delivering large infrastructure projects to time and budget. If this is really investment, then what is the return on it, how long before BT brings 100bn into the exchequer? Because without that part, this is an ideological project.

If you're a remainer planning on voting Labour, incidentally, you may wish to consider that this scheme is currently illegal under EU law.

How can it ever return the £100bn when it’s also giving a major portion of its income, broadband, away for free....

 

[davek]

Johnson on the BBC Tory Propaganda shows on radio and tv today.

....getting nervous about the narrowing polls?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

They rarely do Bruce, because that’s how the companies involved make money. The only time they hit a date is when the date is immovable, Y2K, Olympics, etc, and then the ‘initial castings’ invariably treble.....

In my experience the companies involved make money through claims and variations. The actual building stuff part is merely a sideshow.

 

[peteblue]

I often wondered in my younger years why the Lib Dems didn't just promise everybody free sweets and a back rub as it wasn't like they were ever going to have to make it happen.

They probably will this year...they might as well, everyone else is doing it.....

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

How can it ever return the £100bn when it’s also giving a major portion of its income, broadband, away for free....

Well, if you can demonstrate economic growth and jobs created by the establishment or expansion of businesses doing their work online, then I would imagine you could demonstrate a return.

 

[peteblue]

In my experience the companies involved make money through claims and variations. The actual building stuff part is merely a sideshow.

That’s what I was on about, hence the delays....

 

[Harryflashman]

tbf, there’s quite a few of them in here......

If anyone needs people to believe absolute bunkum they should stick it on the side of a bus or something .

 

[peteblue]

Well, if you can demonstrate economic growth and jobs created by the establishment or expansion of businesses doing their work online, then I would imagine you could demonstrate a return.

And that is a very fair comment.....

 

[peteblue]

If anyone needs people to believe absolute bunkum they should stick it on the side of a bus or something .

I just read on the side of a bus that “Labour are nationalising all bus companies and giving free transport to everyone”.....

 

[davek]

Q/ How many Russian oligarchs donate to the Conservative party?

Johnson: "those figures are publicly available".


Ha Ha Ha.

Putin puppet.