Are you going to ignore the fact that the far-right is a more eminent threat than any sort of "far-left" movement?
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Are you going to ignore the fact that the far-right is a more eminent threat than any sort of "far-left" movement?
"The 34 extremist-related murders in 2017 represented a significant decline after four straight years of rising deaths but were still above the average number of yearly murders in recent decades (29).
In contrast to the previous two years, 2017 saw fewer victims killed by firearm; only 20 of the 34 murders (59%) were committed using firearms as a weapon, a significant drop from 2016 (93%) and 2015 (80%), and substantially lower than the 10-year average (72%). However, the bike path murders show that guns and bombs are not the only ways extremists bent on destruction can be deadly. Guns, vehicles and stabbing weapons accounted for all the documented murders in 2017; no murders emerged related to bombs, beatings, or other means.
Ideology seems to have played a primary or secondary role in 17 of the 34 murders (50%), but this figure includes the Samish Island and Reston murders as non-ideological, though some could argue that ideology played at least a secondary role in these domestic disputes. In nine of the 34 murders (26%), hate-related motives seem to have played a primary or secondary role.
Many extremist-related murders each year, as in 2017, are essentially non-ideological killings, which can include killings stemming from factional disputes, murders of suspected informants, as well as murders committed by extremists in the pursuit of traditional criminal motives. In another domestic dispute, in Leadwood, Missouri in February, neither ideology nor hate seems to have played a part when Frank Ancona, the head of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was murdered, allegedly by his wife and fellow Klan member, Malissa Ancona, and her son.
In another non-ideological killing, David Atchison of Aztec, New Mexico, seems to have had two obsessions—school shootings and white supremacy. He opened fire at a local high school, killing two students before taking his own life.
Two non-ideological murders occurred during an escape attempt from a prison bus in June, when two Georgia inmates—one of them a member of the Ghostface Gangsters, a white supremacist prison gang—overpowered two corrections officers, Christopher Monica and Curtis Billue, took one of their guns, and killed the officers. They were subsequently recaptured in Tennessee and now face the death penalty for the murders.
Extremists of any sort can pose a safety risk to corrections officers and police officers, as the deaths of Monica and Billue tragically illustrate. There have been numerous murders of corrections officers by extremists over the years, while almost every year at least one police officer is killed by an extremist.
2017 was no exception. The sole murder committed by an anti-government extremist in 2017 was the deliberate targeting of a police officer in one of the year’s most cold-blooded killings. In May, Deputy Sheriff Mason Moore of Broadwater County, Montana, attempted a traffic stop in May on a car carrying two anti-government extremists, Lloyd Barrus and his son, Marshall Barrus. The stop led to a car chase and shootout in which the deputy was wounded. After seeing the officer’s vehicle come to a stop, the two men made a U-turn, drove back to the police cruiser and allegedly fired dozens of rounds at the officer, killing him. Authorities eventually located the Barruses and, following a high speed chase, a second shootout occurred, in which Marshall Barrus was killed and his father arrested. Authorities subsequently learned that the two had apparently discussed a “suicide mission” against police and had even wanted to bring Marshall Barrus’s children with them.
The 2017 incident was not the first shootout with law enforcement for Lloyd Barrus. In the early 2000s, Barrus, another son, and a third person were involved in a car chase and standoff in Death Valley, California, during which their gunfire forced down a California Highway Patrol helicopter. No one was killed in that earlier encounter."
I appreciate you doing my work for me. In all, it looks like only a handful of ideological shooting deaths that don't involve right wingers as the victims.
None were mass shootings that I can tell.
The only mass shooting I saw looked to be a far left/black nationalism shooting.
dholliday
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Are you ignoring your rhetorical question about far-right mass shootings under Trump?
Yes, you are. Because you thought there were loads and now you can't find evidence of any.
dholliday
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Nope, none at all.
wow...I don't even know what to reply here.
I'll just say that in this thread we're not comparing who's worse between the Far Left vs Far Right. In this thread we're discussing specifically the Far Left and its effects on society. We have a thread on the Far Right, we could discuss there how insidiuous some of those movements you linked are (we'll mostly be in agreement).
Why? you pointed out that Number 25 couldn't find any so he posted that the parkland killer was far right in ideology.
You started a thread called 'far left'. Did you expect everyone to just come on here and agree with you?
What Number 25 is pointing out is that there is a far bigger threat from the far right and thats because they duped a huge number of people to vote them in to the white house.
dholliday
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He didn't mention "the parkland killer", he implied there's been far-right mass shootings under Trump.
Cruz's school massacre doesn't come under the rubrik of right-wing terrorism. Rather he is another in a long line of disturbed young individuals with hateful views and a gun.
" Far-right mass shootings" implies a political idealogue behind the act. See here for a more definitive list. It's bad enough, to be sure:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States
But firstly for the sake of accuracy people have to be a little more precise if they want their argument heard. And secondly there is already a thread for the Far-Right.
so the lad with all the guns in the MAGA hat wasn't far right?
dholliday
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Many people in USA have guns and voted Trump. Doesn't make them all far-right, does it?
Or does it in your book?
dunno but the ones that cover their faces in US flags while they wear the hat probably are.
So we have a bunch of idiot college kids who are being uncivil, rude, ignorant, and pointlessly sensitive. And the same goes for some idiot academics/bloggers/pundits who claim "progressive liberal" but yet won't allow for any liberal ideals such as free speech and diversity of ideas. And then we have the murders committed in the name of racist far-right ideologies (see page 29 and forward on that link).
Surely there is more to the Far left than whiny, sensitive college kids and hypocritical pundits, yes?
Surely there is more to the Far left than whiny, sensitive college kids and hypocritical pundits, yes?
dholliday
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The Cruz shooting isn't generally classed as an idealogue event. Whereas the Church, Sikh & Planned Parenthood shootings for example were. It's all about intent & motive.
There might be a debate that Cruz felt empowered by Trump's success, but not many analysts would go as far as call that massacre a "far-right mass shooting". It's generally accepted he was a sick individual who's hateful intent was only to cause chaos (like most young shooters).
There's also a really solid argument that making guns so readily available is a rightwing rather than a leftwing policy. So you could argue almost every mass shooting of the last 20 years has been right-wing terrorism. I might even agree with that, as I think the gun laws in USA are insane considering how many people get killed every year.
What's perhaps even more interesting tho' is how debate about the Far Left in this very thread is being shut down in favour of shouting "but there be Nazis!".
This happens a lot, doesn't it?
I shouldn't have posted in this thread.
For example, you could post about those anarchists who smash store-front windows at the G20. What they're doing is pointlessly destructive and they are generally considered far left.
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That's what this thread will hopefully be about. The following links reveal the Far Left will only support women if those women ally themselves politically with their tribe. Interesting...
Tory feminists do exist – but they offer only cheap wins and bad faith
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