Current Affairs The Far Left

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I hate the terms "left" and "right", as if the spectrum of human thought and opinion can be sub-divided into two clean categories. People who have 100% conviction in their own simple opinions about human thought and society should have a good hard look at themselves

This. If you're trying to win the argument instead of finding a truth, examine your motives. This is true for any political persuasion.

If you locked into your beliefs early and never swerved, think about what else you believed then that you later discovered you were wrong about at that age... It's why I engage here. It only ends when you're toes up.
 
I'm angered by Corbyn spouting his pseudo-socialist tripe,while he sits in the back of his chauffeur driven car with his million plus pension pot and the 2015 7k rise that he pocketed while some of his Labour colleagues (too few sadly) donated theirs to charity....does this make me Far Left?

Nope, not at all. Makes you an individual with their own views.

It seems any criticism of Corbyn from some sections (and I have to say, maybe this is because I follow a lot of people from the NW where Corbyn is obviously well liked) makes you a Tory, in their eyes.

But as long as you can reason your views and are willing to engage in debate, whether you lean a little bit left or right or are dead on the fence, that's fine.

People earlier in this thread seemed to be arguing what was better - far left or far right. Whereas the point should really be that both extremes are bad meffs.
 
I also think stuff like this is ill-informed



Trump's a tit, but he's not Hitler.

People need to stop bandying that about like some easy tag. There's a difference between being a misogynist, probably a bit racist, scumbag, and a mass murderer.

Most worrying is all these guys have their nice little blue ticks, so they get to feel just that little bit more important than the rest of us.


*eroding democracy through eliminating the checks and balances
*attacks the free press
*attacks the DOJ, FBI, CIA
*embraces despots
*demonizes refugees
*demonizes POC

I dunno Toff...while calling him Hitler is obviously OTT, he has and is exhibiting the behavior of a would be despot. People in Germany didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. Fox News is doing it's best as essentially the state run media to do the same.
 
*eroding democracy through eliminating the checks and balances
*attacks the free press
*attacks the DOJ, FBI, CIA
*embraces despots
*demonizes refugees
*demonizes POC

I dunno Toff...while calling him Hitler is obviously OTT, he has and is exhibiting the behavior of a would be despot. People in Germany didn't realize what was happening until it was too late. Fox News is doing it's best as essentially the state run media to do the same.
Trump isn't Hitler. He isn't 'that' bad and shouldn't be compared, at all.

You start comparing a divvy with a wig to Hitler, and by the time the real one comes along it will be too late.

And, the people of Germany did realise. They wanted change which is why the voted the Nazi's in in the first place. People disregard that Germany was probably in a very situation - politically - now that they were back in the early 1930s, and I think that's reflected by the growth of the far right in Eastern Europe.
 
Our country is moving in the direction of despotism and "Un-Democracy"; several analyses point to this by studying the characteristics of nascent fascism in history; these characteristics include things like propoganda-versus-free press (e.g., Fox news), anti-intellectualism (i.e., th war against universities, their faculty and any ideas that can threaten the dominant party), scapegoating (e.g., Mexicans/Central Americans), an appeal to a mythic past (e.g., MAGA), an attempt to biologize human worth on a hierarchical scale (e.g., all sorts of racist statements about nonwhite people), victimhood for the dominant population (e.g., as demographics like LGBTQ, non-white people, etc., make in-roads the pushback is that whitemen are the real victims), an emphasis on law-and-order politics (which perpetuates the us/them that are being scapegoated), and so on.

This is all outlined in a easy-to-read book "How Fascism Works" from which the above ideas are taken (the book is a bit too shallow in places, but overall thesis is good). Another good book on this topic is "How Democracy Dies", which also comparatively studies the erosion of democratic principles by left and right dictators.

Trump isn't Hitler by definition, nor by analogy, but when many analysts point to how quickly our democratic principle have already eroded under this government (e.g., this was a government, who a few days ago, wanted rewrite legal definitions for how we treat transgender individuals), or have the potential to erode if we stay with this current government, this suggests that something is very very wrong with our current government.
 
"...conservatives see an unfortunate world of moral trade-offs in which every moral judgment comes with costs that must be properly balanced....This is why conservatives don’t tend to express the same emotional hostility as the Left; a deeper grasp of the world’s complexity has the effect of encouraging intellectual humility. The conservative hears the progressive’s latest demands and says, “I can see how you might come to that conclusion, but I think you’ve overlooked the following…

lollollollollol

is that why you posted all those videos of yourself smashing your keurigs and burning your Kapernick kits then, Muzzruh? cheers for the morning lulz



modern conservatives: men who self-identify as calm, rational, and dispassionate - and who burst into tears, sue, or threaten on twitter to slap anyone who dares suggest otherwise

"A deeper grasp of the world’s complexity has the effect of encouraging intellectual humility"

imagine claiming "intellectual humility" for yourself as you're literally typing out that sentence!!! lollollol

if we're going to start throwing around self-serving definitions of ourselves, then "possesses basic self-awareness" pretty much sums up those who can't hold a straight face reading this rubbish

and whatever the American right thinks it is doing these days, it is not, in any sense, "conservative" - so... stop making Burke and Ruskin throw up inside their mouths already! ;)
 
I'm angered by Corbyn spouting his pseudo-socialist tripe,while he sits in the back of his chauffeur driven car with his million plus pension pot and the 2015 7k rise that he pocketed while some of his Labour colleagues (too few sadly) donated theirs to charity....does this make me Far Left?

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Mate, he's the leader of the opposition not the cleaner. Of course he gets chauffeur driver about. Prior to this though he used public transport unlike most MP's.
Also, his pension is not his fault, it is just what he is entitled to. Weird things to hate for for imo.

Look at his expenses claims compared to the tory MP's who fiddled hundreds of thousands of tax payers money.
 
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Mate, he's the leader of the opposition not the cleaner. Of course he gets chauffeur driver about. Prior to this though he used public transport unlike most MP's.
Also, his pension is not his fault, it is just what he is entitled to. Weird things to hate for for imo.

Look at his expenses claims compared to the tory MP's who fiddled hundreds of thousands of tax payers money.

I think he's a decent guy. Not sure he'd make a good PM but he'd be better than the shambles now.

That being said, post-election I'm getting bored of his rhetoric and he seems to have slipped into the same ol' thing of not actually giving answers to any of the key questions.
 
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Mate, he's the leader of the opposition not the cleaner. Of course he gets chauffeur driver about. Prior to this though he used public transport unlike most MP's.
Also, his pension is not his fault, it is just what he is entitled to. Weird things to hate for for imo.

Look at his expenses claims compared to the tory MP's who fiddled hundreds of thousands of tax payers money.
"Jeremy Corbyn is to accept the £58,000 top-up in salary offered to the leader of the opposition, it has emerged.
The move could upset supporters angry at pay caps for public sector workers introduced as part of the government’s austerity drive.
The new Labour leader is entitled to a salary of up to £125,000 a year. The salary for opposition leader was cut by more than £6,000 at the request of Ed Miliband.
Mr Corbyn, a keen cyclist, has also accepted a state-funded car provided for the opposition leader. He had previously said that the added salary and use of a car were “up for discussion”.
The MP recently refused to be interviewed in a car, saying that he preferred to travel by bicycle".

Easy to bang on about austerity and it's negative effects on the most vulnerable in society when your a million miles away from it.
Now if the Labour Party manifesto included a 5 year wage freeze for Mps,then future increases linked to public sector pay great.But our socialist champions are too busy playing at being socially responsible. Professional politicians every one of them.
 
Morning, Abe. I need a coffee but my Keurig is smashed. The destruction...

The horror.

cheers muzzruh.. hope you didn't mind my good-natured jab to the ribs there ; )

also, very sorry to hear about your keurig. i'd offer you an organic yerba mate, harvested by the disabled Patagonian lesbians of colour collective, and infused with essence of finest alpaca placenta, but have sadly just discovered it's not carbon-neutral shipping it here to Yorkshire :(
 
"Jeremy Corbyn is to accept the £58,000 top-up in salary offered to the leader of the opposition, it has emerged.
The move could upset supporters angry at pay caps for public sector workers introduced as part of the government’s austerity drive.
The new Labour leader is entitled to a salary of up to £125,000 a year. The salary for opposition leader was cut by more than £6,000 at the request of Ed Miliband.
Mr Corbyn, a keen cyclist, has also accepted a state-funded car provided for the opposition leader. He had previously said that the added salary and use of a car were “up for discussion”.
The MP recently refused to be interviewed in a car, saying that he preferred to travel by bicycle".

Easy to bang on about austerity and it's negative effects on the most vulnerable in society when your a million miles away from it.
Now if the Labour Party manifesto included a 5 year wage freeze for Mps,then future increases linked to public sector pay great.But our socialist champions are too busy playing at being socially responsible. Professional politicians every one of them.

Think you're argument is with reckless MPs expenses to be honest, it's a bit misdirected too if you're searching for hypocrisy.

Of course Corbyn would take the pay rise – who wouldn't for doing a job with infinitely more responsibility? Moreover, thats not the taxpayer's money. I would imagine that the use of a car would be a matter of security too. You should be challenging those who use our taxes to repave their driveways and get an extensions for their stables.
 
"Jeremy Corbyn is to accept the £58,000 top-up in salary offered to the leader of the opposition, it has emerged.
The move could upset supporters angry at pay caps for public sector workers introduced as part of the government’s austerity drive.
The new Labour leader is entitled to a salary of up to £125,000 a year. The salary for opposition leader was cut by more than £6,000 at the request of Ed Miliband.
Mr Corbyn, a keen cyclist, has also accepted a state-funded car provided for the opposition leader. He had previously said that the added salary and use of a car were “up for discussion”.
The MP recently refused to be interviewed in a car, saying that he preferred to travel by bicycle".

Easy to bang on about austerity and it's negative effects on the most vulnerable in society when your a million miles away from it.
Now if the Labour Party manifesto included a 5 year wage freeze for Mps,then future increases linked to public sector pay great.But our socialist champions are too busy playing at being socially responsible. Professional politicians every one of them.

Nonsense, he is the leader of the opposition,he is going to be well paid. He gets a car, of course he does, you use a really weird stick to beat him imo.
 
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