The Everton Board Thread

[barneygumble]

It's not laundering.

It would be laundering if he paid for it with illicit money, gifted it to Moshiri who later sells it and gives that money back.

In any case, the seller of the property to Usmanov would be the party liable for accepting the money without proof of the source of funds. (something I have to do with every deal.)

Fair enough.

Is it at least dodgy?

 

[Ruairi77]

It's not laundering.

It would be laundering if he paid for it with illicit money, gifted it to Moshiri who later sells it and gives that money back.

I dunno, Usmanov is a Russian oligarch so it's reasonable to question the legitimacy of his wealth.
Deals like USM finch farm, Megafon, exclusive naming rights to BMD, even angry birds are all skirting around the gifts neighborhood.
Why would USM need to sponsor finch farm, or secure naming rights for a new stadium at a ridiculously high fee?
And who knows what happens to the proceeds of Moshiris sale.
It's not far off laundering, only thing is Bill stuck some lo/lypop sticks in the coin slot for the washing machine and now it's banjaxed

 

[BNJ1878]

Fair enough.

Is it at least dodgy?

I dunno, Usmanov is a Russian oligarch so it's reasonable to question the legitimacy of his wealth.
Deals like USM finch farm, Megafon, exclusive naming rights to BMD, even angry birds are all skirting around the gifts neighborhood.
Why would USM need to sponsor finch farm, or secure naming rights for a new stadium at a ridiculously high fee?
And who knows what happens to the proceeds of Moshiris sale.
It's not far off laundering, only thing is Bill stuck some lollypop sticks in the coin slot for the washing machine and now it's banjaxed

All examples of dodgy.

But not laundering.

 

[Ruairi77]

All examples of dodgy.

But not laundering.

We're never going to see straight up examples of laundering with out seeing the lads being whisked off in police vans.
This is as close as you'll get without it being obvious tho.
Join the dots and it's a reasonable conclusion to come to.

On the other hand, the PL is a really good investment if you have the money
and Usmanov has just been skirting the rules re. funding.
And that horse bolted years ago with lots of clubs.

But either way, there was shady dealings going on.

 

[st.domingo]

There is no interest in sentimentality. The vision is for Everton to be a cash cow like McLaren and stay in the league. It’s difficult to explain the enormous potential of your new stadium.

Hello mate. Thanks for coming on to share this information.

McLaren F1 announced the MSP investment in 2020 as funding a planned return to championship contention (their last title was in 2008):

McLaren Group announces new investment in McLaren Racing

McLaren Group announces new investment in McLaren Racing

www.mclaren.com

Is anything similar planned for Everton?

 

[MrGrumpy]

I'm not sure how an investor that only has 25% shareholding can dictate the direction that the club should go in or who should be on the board ( unless that is part of the contract with Moshiri)
From what I've read MSP will simply be loaning money to enable the completion of the stadium and taking a shareholding as security.
I fail to see how that entitles them to be "running the club"

He needs the money and no one else is offering him money, they want a return or at least there money back and they can clearly see the problems

 

[MrGrumpy]

Can see why everyone is suspicious though, he’s just doing it through his “accountant”, who happens to be our “owner”.

If you ever get a minute, it’s always worth a quick minute have a look at some of the “gifts” Alisher has given to Moshiri lol including the most expensive available property in London lol if that’s not laundering, what is? lol

Out of interest were the illegitimate money coming from? He owns businesses that bring in billions a year he not some twobob drug dealer

 

[MrGrumpy]

I dunno, Usmanov is a Russian oligarch so it's reasonable to question the legitimacy of his wealth.
Deals like USM finch farm, Megafon, exclusive naming rights to BMD, even angry birds are all skirting around the gifts neighborhood.
Why would USM need to sponsor finch farm, or secure naming rights for a new stadium at a ridiculously high fee?
And who knows what happens to the proceeds of Moshiris sale.
It's not far off laundering, only thing is Bill stuck some lo/lypop sticks in the coin slot for the washing machine and now it's banjaxed

The sponsorship wasn’t fake or illegal they simply had to use them to put more money in to the club so it could waste more money to cope with P/L unfortunately the Ukraine war massively fekked Everton over

 

[Ruairi77]

Out of interest were the illegitimate money coming from? He owns businesses that bring in billions a year he not some twobob drug dealer

how does he own those businesses, what happened after the collapse of communism, how was Russias wealth divvied up.
The whole region was rife with bribery, corruption and croneyism while those who were best a playing the game rose to the top.
Usmanov, Abramovic et al were (and still are) crooked as all hell.
Usmanov's wealth stinks to high heaven, his relationship with Moshiri stinks too.
How has Moshiri amassed his wealth?
Why was Usmanov investing so much in Everton but staying in the shadows?
As soon as bill found out he could keep the big chair, any due diligence went out the window.

There's no point in moaning about Chelsea, City, or Newcastle.
We were just the same without any success.

 

[Curtis]

My concern with MSP investment is that moshiri/kenwright will try to prevent actual changes while taking the investment as they're on incapable of change unless it's part of the conditions

 

[MrGrumpy]

how does he own those businesses, what happened after the collapse of communism, how was Russias wealth divvied up.
The whole region was rife with bribery, corruption and croneyism while those who were best a playing the game rose to the top.
Usmanov, Abramovic et al were (and still are) crooked as all hell.
Usmanov's wealth stinks to high heaven, his relationship with Moshiri stinks too.
How has Moshiri amassed his wealth?
Why was Usmanov investing so much in Everton but staying in the shadows?
As soon as bill found out he could keep the big chair, any due diligence went out the window.

There's no point in moaning about Chelsea, City, or Newcastle.
We were just the same without any success.

I’ve no doubt when the USSR Collapsed there was lot of dodgy dealing but now they run legitimate businesses and don’t need to launder money and who are they hiding it from?
Plus I’m sure there far better way to launder money then through Everton
Moshiri his friend and former employee I’m guessing,
I think AU probably would have come in had Everton been successful but as we basically plummeted in the last 5 years he never bothered

 

[Wizard]

I dunno, Usmanov is a Russian oligarch so it's reasonable to question the legitimacy of his wealth.
Deals like USM finch farm, Megafon, exclusive naming rights to BMD, even angry birds are all skirting around the gifts neighborhood.
Why would USM need to sponsor finch farm, or secure naming rights for a new stadium at a ridiculously high fee?
And who knows what happens to the proceeds of Moshiris sale.
It's not far off laundering, only thing is Bill stuck some lo/lypop sticks in the coin slot for the washing machine and now it's banjaxed

How was the Angry Birds deal dodgy? Did he have a large stake in Rovio or something?

 

[Ruairi77]

How was the Angry Birds deal dodgy? Did he have a large stake in Rovio or something?

Yup. As far as I can recall.

 

[BNJ1878]

Out of interest were the illegitimate money coming from? He owns businesses that bring in billions a year he not some twobob drug dealer

It's a waste of time.

Some are convinced it's 'money laundering' whilst clearly not having a clue what that means.

Save your thumbs

 

[Ruairi77]

It's a waste of time.

Some are convinced it's 'money laundering' whilst clearly not having a clue what that means.

Save your thumbs

use ill gotten gains to buy an asset, then legitimately sell that asset. It’s not hard to understand and theres every chance it was happening at Everton.