The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[Sharpys top lip]

Yep, agree 100% with you.

I just shake my head with disbelief that there are plenty who launch scathing attacks on Kenwright and the other tits on the board, but then back Moyes to the hilt and claim he is our only hope. As I've said elsewhere, they're two cheeks of the same arse. Moyes is cosy for the Board, and vice versa.

iv been saying this for a long,long time. Vicious circle.

 

[davek]

Explain only 2 bids for 2 players then?

£12million rejected for Negredo. Yet... There are no other players in world football better or on par with him for that price?

Newcastle just bought half the French squad for less money.

31 days to spend all that money. There were no suitable targets.

...erm......

 

[Moomin]

The track record of the board is littered with failures, i hoped we would have been able to pull off a major coup this window. But, thats all it was "HOPE"

I expect the worse, when it comes to Everton. Sad state of affairs really, and if Moyes does leave, well that shield that protects the board may be gone for good.

 

[Dell Boy]

I will happily come out this morning and criticise the board for not having a Plan B (or Plan C) for that matter once the Fer deal didn't happen. It annoys the hell out of me. I run my business like many others with clear business plans and targets. My world is entirely different to the mad crazy professional football set-up but at the same time I sit down with my managers twice a year to review performance and agree new investment and objectives. If one of my managers said that for their department they wanted to spend £X on something to achieve extra performance I'd rip it to shreds if they couldnt talk me through their contingency plans.

I believe Everton are on the cusp of a great season and a boost of a new couple of signings (even loans that could be converted that we seem to do so well) would have been massive. We are crying out for bodies in centre mid and up front in my opinion. I'd also like to see Howard better challenged.

I think the lad from Barnsley is a smart move and the more I learn about it the better. I think the fact that our genuine rivals Spurs, Arsenal and the RS didn't go over the top and splash out should have given us the opportunity to push on.

Don't get me wrong I think not selling Baines is massive. He'll be 6 months older in the summer and fingers crossed that might rule him out of a big money sale. That means we can have him driving our team for maybe 3-5 more years. Keeping Fellaini til the summer at least is equally smart.

But yes it does kill me that there wasn't a Plan B for Fer and likewise Negredo was clearly off the radar early doors yesterday seeing as he played last night. I'd also add the deal Stoke got for Jack Butland was a steal in my book at £4m. Brilliant keeper and spot on attitude. Even loaning him back to Brum would have shown Howard he had to massively up his game.

I do know one thing though - Moyes controls all dealings at the club and with the team's current position and next year's finances/champs league opportunities he would have been even more in control. It would only have been something like no insurance coming forward for the club to be able to say no to him.

 

[Chuff84]

What a ridiculously pedantic comment.

You talk about perspective? Well how about this perspective - suspend your irrational disbelief for just a second....

Moyes is in full charge of which targets he wants to go for, and how much he is prepared to pay for them. He works with Kenwright on a transfer window strategy where they wait till the end to spend what little money they have because that's when you get most bang for your buck, and they give it a real go - but irrespective of the money available, Moyes will not pay more than he thinks a player is worth. Comments that 'he might as well just admit he has no money and not even bother beggar belief. If he did that he'd deserve to be sacked for not doing his job. Sure there's very little money (and that's a fact and a completely different issue that i'd stand by you on) but for those who have said the Fer thing was a smokescreen and it wasn't his injury we just couldn't afford him - are you serious? You think sensible people would go through that charade just to put up a front to paranoid fans? You flatter yourselves that they are considering your sensitivity so much when they go into the negotiation.

It astounds me when I read the maniacal and hare-brained comments that some on here make presented as FACT, as if they are permanent flies on the wall of Moyes's and Kenwrught's office, privy to their innermost thoughts. There's more flies on this forum than on a dog**** on a summer's day. I mean, where do you get these bizarre theories from? Really??!

Only came into this thread to write... well, basically what you have just written.

Absolutely spot on!

 

[kenada_blue]

We only had about £3M for a down payment, we knew we were skint ffs. However, European deals are still usually funded over the contract length, so he had chance to buy on the continent. The deal for Fer was there, are you trying to say it was never going to complete & was a sham?

Fer deal was us playing hardball on negotiating less up front and staggering the payments. Protection or not, the bottom line is you're spending the same amount.

But the fact remains that we didn't have 8million, and a further kick in the face was the attempt to get another player for £12million which is scandalous imo.

Both deals fell through in the afternoon. And there was no one else around to buy?

Pie in the sky stuff. It's not about Moyes looking for quality, it's about a club fitting how we want to pay. The player almost comes secondary.

 

[Blue_Berry]

Explain only 2 bids for 2 players then?

£12million rejected for Negredo. Yet... There are no other players in world football better or on par with him for that price?

Newcastle just bought half the French squad for less money.

Mate I'm not syaing they got it right. Moyes has his targets and knows who he wants. Newcastle can buy whoever they choose but if Moyes doesn't fancy those targets then he won't go for them. And that's the point - we get a bunch of professional managers on here telling the world that Moyes / Kenwright have ballsed up because they chose to try for Negredo at a knock down price when IN THEIR SUPERIOR OPINION they should have gone for someone else at a lower price. Moyes is the manager, and he knows in his own mind what he needs, and that's the job he is paid for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as to who they think they want and we need, and we can agree or disagree, but to call the managemnent all the knuts under the sun because they didn't do this or that, and to dress it all up with insane conspiracy theories to give i more 'credence' - this is what made me bite.

 

[Blue_Berry]

Explain only 2 bids for 2 players then?

£12million rejected for Negredo. Yet... There are no other players in world football better or on par with him for that price?

Newcastle just bought half the French squad for less money.

Mate I'm not syaing they got it right. Moyes has his targets and knows who he wants. Newcastle can buy whoever they choose but if Moyes doesn't fancy those targets then he won't go for them. And that's the point - we get a bunch of professional managers on here telling the world that Moyes / Kenwright have ballsed up because they chose to try for Negredo at a knock down price when IN THEIR SUPERIOR OPINION they should have gone for someone else at a lower price. Moyes is the manager, and he knows in his own mind what he needs, and that's the job he is paid for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as to who they think they want and we need, and we can agree or disagree, but to call the managemnent all the knuts under the sun because they didn't do this or that, and to dress it all up with insane conspiracy theories to give it more 'credence' - this is what made me bite.

 

[Blue_Berry]

Fer deal was us playing hardball on negotiating less up front and staggering the payments. Protection or not, the bottom line is you're spending the same amount.

But the fact remains that we didn't have 8million, and a further kick in the face was the attempt to get another player for £12million which is scandalous imo.


Both deals fell through in the afternoon. And there was no one else around to buy?

Pie in the sky stuff. It's not about Moyes looking for quality, it's about a club fitting how we want to pay. The player almost comes secondary.

Mate - HOW DO YOU KNOW??????!

Flies on wallzzzzzz...........

 

[davek]

Mate I'm not syaing they got it right. Moyes has his targets and knows who he wants. Newcastle can buy whoever they choose but if Moyes doesn't fancy those targets then he won't go for them. And that's the point - we get a bunch of professional managers on here telling the world that Moyes / Kenwright have ballsed up because they chose to try for Negredo at a knock down price when IN THEIR SUPERIOR OPINION they should have gone for someone else at a lower price. Moyes is the manager, and he knows in his own mind what he needs, and that's the job he is paid for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as to who they think they want and we need, and we can agree or disagree, but to call the managemnent all the knuts under the sun because they didn't do this or that, and to dress it all up with insane conspiracy theories to give i more 'credence' - this is what made me bite.

I think you're comforting yourself with the thought that those who put up an opposite opinion to your view on how the transfer window went are mad conspiracy theorists. For the most part critics are saying this: we had a choice to strenghten and for whatever reason it wasn't taken...and the Fer deal was the biggest call of any window for years. It was palpable from the comments we've heard so far from the club that it was a goer but that finances, ultimately, stopped the taking of that choice.

We live with those decisions now and wait to see the impact of them on the campaign left.

 

[Allezfan]

Moyes and Kenwright are both at fault for our failiure to bring in players.

Both haven't done good enough. I just hope this doesn't scupper what could be our most successful season in years the way I think it might.

 

[kenada_blue]

Mate - HOW DO YOU KNOW??????!

Flies on wallzzzzzz...........

Common sense mate. Deal in place. Medical. Renegotiate. Club doesn't want to. Go back a 2nd time to renegotiate the instalments. Club doesn't want to. Well drop it. It's not hard. No club compromised. If they did, he'd be here.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Fer deal was us playing hardball on negotiating less up front and staggering the payments. Protection or not, the bottom line is you're spending the same amount.

But the fact remains that we didn't have 8million, and a further kick in the face was the attempt to get another player for £12million which is scandalous imo.

Both deals fell through in the afternoon. And there was no one else around to buy?

Pie in the sky stuff. It's not about Moyes looking for quality, it's about a club fitting how we want to pay. The player almost comes secondary.

Wrong. The Fer deal fell down after we wanted to link future payments to appearances due to the concern over his knee. I have no issue with that, as they were merely looking to safeguard the club. Even the player understood the logic there.

Your last sentence I largely agree with, as we didn't have much cash for up front payment, which limited our potential dealings to those who were prepared to accept contract length payments. So, the funding issue will have impacted on who Moyes could have on his shopping list.

Putting those 2 issues together & coming up with a 'fake bid' scenario is nads though.

 

[davek]

Only finishing 4th will justify that transfer window. That's the measuring rod for it.

 

[kenada_blue]

Mate I'm not syaing they got it right. Moyes has his targets and knows who he wants. Newcastle can buy whoever they choose but if Moyes doesn't fancy those targets then he won't go for them. And that's the point - we get a bunch of professional managers on here telling the world that Moyes / Kenwright have ballsed up because they chose to try for Negredo at a knock down price when IN THEIR SUPERIOR OPINION they should have gone for someone else at a lower price. Moyes is the manager, and he knows in his own mind what he needs, and that's the job he is paid for. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as to who they think they want and we need, and we can agree or disagree, but to call the managemnent all the knuts under the sun because they didn't do this or that, and to dress it all up with insane conspiracy theories to give i more 'credence' - this is what made me bite.

So we had 12million to spend and only 2 targets?

That's a first for the club to be fair.