The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[Whistlin' Dixie]

Fair points well made.

I'd see it as a fresh start and hope the rest is coming

Their previous has exempted them from any fresh start, AFAIC. We won't get real, discernable change unless/until they're gone.

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

Why would that be optimistic. An extra 25m sky money and 35m from Stones.

To be honest mate I thought I was being a bit conservative, I thought it might actually be more than 60m

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

Also I tried to make my post generalising, didn't mean to be you specific, slip of context, I still think that on pitch performance has more sway than any other aspect and that is why Kenwright still gets support. So yeah, if we sell Stones, invest 20m back into the team and improve,

Mate if we only invest 20m of the Stones money I think the meltdown on here would reach epic proportions

 

[marty mcfly]

To be honest mate I thought I was being a bit conservative, I thought it might actually be more than 60m

If it was all going into the team. However is it and if not where? I think that's what the fans want to know.

 

[sageyefc]

Useless

 

[marty mcfly]

I think the board with wanting to buy out Barnsley's share are showing their true face here. The transfer request realistically doesn't change anything. It just gives them an excuse to blame the player and now they're trying to take a smaller club's windfall. Disgraceful behavior.

 

[marty mcfly]

Had the missus take a quick look at the club for us, and she has just emailed me. Summaries from the email:

• We took a £10m loan out two/three years ago against future television revenue. Bit silly as this was never guaranteed, if we were to go down then we'd go bankrupt fairly quickly without some kind of cash injection.
• The VIBRAC loan is shady, no explanation as to why it was made considering no direct investment was made from it. She seems to think it was to pay of debts from the previous owners, but this is a silly move as it would of been better to just restructure existing debt as the previous lenders would of preferred to of had it over time. Also, putting it against the stadium is dangerous - not many clubs actually do this.
  
• We've borrowed on a couple of times on "future assets", but as she pointed out - we do not own our training ground and we own no land beyond Goodison Park, which is too old and decrepit to capitalise on financially beyond tickets and match-day revenues. Future assets implies (to her) that this is against the sale of players, as this is all we have as a club - financially speaking.
  
• We're one of very few English clubs not to actually own their training complex, reducing tangible club assets to minimal levels.
• The kitbag and Chang deals are horrendously low compared to clubs with similar stature. She also believes that we are one of very few top flight clubs (she only noted the newly-promoted sides as being the other clubs) not to have any kind of real marketing operation in emerging football economies of the far east.
• Financially, we're on a tightrope. If we were to see a exodus of talent after another bad season, our value will decrease sharply and we'll have nothing to pay off the loans with - even with TV revenues.

The way forward.

• Consistently compete in the league. Top half finishes are imperative, season in, season out. She says that the league is becoming very much about 6 or 7 teams competing for the top 4 - and then the rest battling it out against relegation. We need to be in the first bracket.
  
• Champions League football for two seasons may be enough to get us out of this, but the gamble may not be worth it. She talked a bit about Portsmouth, and how they fell into the trap of overborrowing to compete.
• The Europa League is not worth it, if we qualify then we shouldn't make it our priority as the financial incentives aren't worth losing league performance.
• Selling key players is all the club can do right now to guarantee financially stability, but this must be kept at a minimal to ensure that the club is competitive. John Stones just has to go.
• Remain stable as a club and business.

Are you married to Karren Brady?

• Financially, we're on a tightrope. If we were to see a exodus of talent after another bad season, our value will decrease sharply and we'll have nothing to pay off the loans with - even with TV revenues.

I don't think too many fans would mind that. It might mean Bill would sell up.

 

[Ihaters]

Mate if we only invest 20m of the Stones money I think the meltdown on here would reach epic proportions

On here, absolutely no doubt, but for the average fan, if we finished 4th or 5th, they would consider it great work from the club, which encompasses everyone involved, including the players, staff, manager, fans and the board.

 

[marty mcfly]

On here, absolutely no doubt, but for the average fan, if we finished 4th or 5th, they would consider it great work from the club, which encompasses everyone involved, including the players, staff, manager, fans and the board.

We won't do that if we sell John Stones. I'm sorry we just won't be able to attract anyone of his ability. You don't break the glass ceiling selling top players due to their scarcity and their need to join already top teams. If we were to sell players it would be so we can maintain 10th-7th position in the league with no net investment.

It really is that simple.

 

[The Esk]

Are you married to Karren Brady?

• Financially, we're on a tightrope. If we were to see a exodus of talent after another bad season, our value will decrease sharply and we'll have nothing to pay off the loans with - even with TV revenues.

I don't think too many fans would mind that. It might mean Bill would sell up.

Not long ago you were advocating selling players to generate some capital, claiming we could perform perfectly adequately as a middle of the table club.

Nothing like consistency is there?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I think the board with wanting to buy out Barnsley's share are showing their true face here. The transfer request realistically doesn't change anything. It just gives them an excuse to blame the player and now they're trying to take a smaller club's windfall. Disgraceful behavior.

What are you on about?

 

[jaycee]

Mate if we only invest 20m of the Stones money I think the meltdown on here would reach epic proportions

There is one of the problems,the fume on here would be massive but outside in the real world,it wouldnt be

 

[marty mcfly]

What are you on about?

That's what everyone is talking about in the John Stones' thread.

 

[marty mcfly]

Not long ago you were advocating selling players to generate some capital, claiming we could perform perfectly adequately as a middle of the table club.

Nothing like consistency is there?

I still would only if the plan was to build a stadium. However if the plan is simply to pay off debt to keep the board in power then I don't agree with that.

The problem is there's no transparency from the board. I don't know what direction they are taking the club. Up to now they stabilized us as a top 7 club and have tried to make progress with the stadium. I'm not a Kenwright hater so if they are trying to get the stadium done then fair enough.

However if their plan is simply to hold on to the club and drag it down just because they don't have the money to invest and want to make a huge profit and in 5 years we're struggling against relegation and still have made no progress on the stadium then they have to go now.

 

[Ihaters]

We won't do that if we sell John Stones. I'm sorry we just won't be able to attract anyone of his ability. You don't break the glass ceiling selling top players due to their scarcity and their need to join already top teams. If we were to sell players it would be so we can maintain 10th-7th position in the league with no net investment.

It really is that simple.

Its not though, its absolutely not that simple.. by getting a lesser CB and a better AM, RM, DM, GK etc.. with the money, you can easily improve the overall quality of the team by taking a hit elsewhere..

Its very conceivable that we sell Stones, improve on the whole, and the board get another buy despite not spending all the Stones money, let alone all the TV revenue.