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[NilSatisOptimum]

No really I'm truly shocked at this outcome, who would have thought...

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[Baines' left foot]

Call as soon as possible to start your claim. Will take 10 minutes or so.

Personal Independence Payment (PIP)

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) - how and when to claim, rates, eligibility, change of circumstances, claiming due to a terminal illness.

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If successful will get backdated.
Hope you are ok btw.

Thanks mate, I appreciate it.

In all honesty I had a look in to it and the way it was worded made it sound like you needed to be dying to be accepted for it. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) PIP has replaced the DLA, and when you compare these side by side the eligibility and wording of the latter seems to be a far more comprehensive benefit.

I remember being a bit angry, having a rant, and then never going back to it. Bit silly really.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Thanks mate, I appreciate it.

In all honesty I had a look in to it and the way it was worded made it sound like you needed to be dying to be accepted for it. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) PIP has replaced the DLA, and when you compare these side by side the eligibility and wording of the latter seems to be a far more comprehensive benefit.

I remember being a bit angry, having a rant, and then never going back to it. Bit silly really.

PIP did replace DLA aye. There’s different rates that you may be entitled to depending on what you ‘score’ on the application form. It’s always worth applying for even though the application process and assessment is a fairly disgusting process IMO.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Thanks mate, I appreciate it.

In all honesty I had a look in to it and the way it was worded made it sound like you needed to be dying to be accepted for it. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) PIP has replaced the DLA, and when you compare these side by side the eligibility and wording of the latter seems to be a far more comprehensive benefit.

I remember being a bit angry, having a rant, and then never going back to it. Bit silly really.

May I suggest not filling in form yourself or family member, with best intentions have seen some poor applications for PIP as in glossed over important evidence, we are conditioned to sell ourselves and be positive. Can be very difficult rectify.
Citizen advice are very good outlining evidenced needed in my experience,they literally do have a very large book on key words. Perhaps a good idea to contact them before hand, as PIP and whoever DWP have outsourced, like their time lines. Also any health or social care professionals may be of help in filling in, they will most certainly be asked for evidence as matter of process. There may be other service's such charities local to you, age concern may help if you are mum and dad's main carer etc.

 

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[JimmyJeffers]

May I suggest not filling in form yourself or family member, with best intentions have seen some poor applications for PIP as in glossed over important evidence, we are conditioned to sell ourselves and be positive. Can be very difficult rectify.
Citizen advice are very good outlining evidenced needed in my experience,they literally do have a very large book on key words. Perhaps a good idea to contact them before hand, as PIP and whoever DWP have outsourced, like their time lines. Also any health or social care professionals may be of help in filling in, they will most certainly be asked for evidence as matter of process. There may be other service's such charities local to you, age concern may help if you are mum and dad's main carer etc.

That’s a good point. If I was applying I’d got to CA

 

[grandjoeblue]

PIP did replace DLA aye. There’s different rates that you may be entitled to depending on what you ‘score’ on the application form. It’s always worth applying for even though the application process and assessment is a fairly disgusting process IMO.

They'll do anything to avoid paying you really. I have a family member who takes 20 tablets a day and can barely walk. They stopped the payment and tried to say he can work because he can read and write. It was only after they nearly died (third time in 3 or 4 years) that they reinstated their payments.

 

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[Diogenes the Cynic]

They'll do anything to avoid paying you really. I have a family member who takes 20 tablets a day and can barely walk. They stopped the payment and tried to say he can work because he can read and write. It was only after they nearly died (third time in 3 or 4 years) that they reinstated their payments.

I mean that's not how PIP works at all.

 

[grandjoeblue]

I mean that's not how PIP works at all.

Might be getting some of the detail mixed up as its second hand info but thats definitely what happened. They had to go for a review and they were getting taken off the payment until they nearly died then they changed the decision.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Might be getting some of the detail mixed up as its second hand info but thats definitely what happened. They had to go for a review and they were getting taken off the payment until they nearly died then they changed the decision.

A lot of people go for appeal however PIP doesn't comment at all on your ability to work and being able to read and write when taken in isolation would not have any impact on whether they would be awarded for their physical restrictions.

 

[grandjoeblue]

A lot of people go for appeal however PIP doesn't comment at all on your ability to work and being able to read and write when taken in isolation would not have any impact on whether they would be awarded for their physical restrictions.

In fairness from memory other stuff like being able to walk a bit was included.

The review was basically completed in a way to attempt to take money away from them. I think its points based and to qualify you have to get a certain number of points. Can't remember all the details but at the time I was shocked by the approach. The review isn't completed by a qualified doctor either its essentially an administrator.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

In fairness from memory other stuff like being able to walk a bit was included.

The review was basically completed in a way to attempt to take money away from them. I think its points based and to qualify you have to get a certain number of points. Can't remember all the details but at the time I was shocked by the approach. The review isn't completed by a qualified doctor either its essentially an administrator.

No all reviews are completed by health professionals and qualified Disability Analysts, it is then passed to a DWP case worker who makes the final decision.

Reviews are completed in exactly the same way as an initial assessment and not set up to take money from people, it is to ascertain a person's individual level of functionality.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

No all reviews are completed by health professionals and qualified Disability Analysts, it is then passed to a DWP case worker who makes the final decision.

Reviews are completed in exactly the same way as an initial assessment and not set up to take money from people, it is to ascertain a person's individual level of functionality.

I’m sure I remember reading that the companies carrying out the assessments work to a target based system. Is this correct?
I’ve generally worked with people who’ve been found to be ineligible for PIP and have always found there to be many inconsistencies to who gets what. I think thats a lot to do with how the individual presents themselves at the assessment mind you and knows the game.
Had a client who couldn’t read or write, struggled to leave the house and would regularly lose it when dealing with people. No chance of ever being employed but scored 0 points. I dunno how he could have any quality of life.
I think the statistics used to be that only about 10-15% of MRs were overturned but about 70-80% of appeals were successful. Quite a stressful process for many and I found that a lot of people would give up after been refused on the initial assessment.
It’s hard not to think that it’s purposely made to be very difficult to apply for and obtain. Completing the application form itself is a pretty demeaning and intimidating process.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

I’m sure I remember reading that the companies carrying out the assessments work to a target based system. Is this correct?
I’ve generally worked with people who’ve been found to be ineligible for PIP and have always found there to be many inconsistencies to who gets what. I think thats a lot to do with how the individual presents themselves at the assessment mind you and knows the game.
Had a client who couldn’t read or write, struggled to leave the house and would regularly lose it when dealing with people. No chance of ever being employed but scored 0 points. I dunno how he could have any quality of life.
I think the statistics used to be that only about 10-15% of MRs were overturned but about 70-80% of appeals were successful. Quite a stressful process for many and I found that a lot of people would give up after been refused on the initial assessment.
It’s hard not to think that it’s purposely made to be very difficult to apply for and obtain. Completing the application form itself is a pretty demeaning and intimidating process.

There's no target system but an algorithm which shows if an analyst isn't awarding enough or too much in specific areas or overall award. You wouldn't get analystsscoring to meet a target however because the assessments are heavily audited, internally and externally and would be flagged due to not matching balance of evidence. Accrument of this swiftly leads to assessor performance being highlighted with usual associated procedures.

The criteria is very specific and people who you may expect to qualify do not reach the threshold however although all assessor judgement is subjective there is very little wriggle room within the structure.

It is never a nice process but the assessments have to be thorough to gain the maximum evidence in able to paint the fullest picture of someone's ability to function.

It's very different to the old DLA system where someone was indefinitely classed as disabled, this system is designed to assess a person's functionality across a multitude of activities and where specifically they may require support.