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[Bruce Wayne]

You've sensationally missed the point there.

I don't think so. I devote a lot of my working life to trying to make the NHS better. People tweeting stuff doesn't make a blind bit of difference. A colleague of my wives today (both nurses) was complaining about a bruised finger. She went to A&E. With a bruised finger. That her GP had told her not to worry about. A bit of personal responsibility would go a bloody long way.

 

[Tubey]

I don't think so. I devote a lot of my working life to trying to make the NHS better. People tweeting stuff doesn't make a blind bit of difference. A colleague of my wives today (both nurses) was complaining about a bruised finger. She went to A&E. With a bruised finger. That her GP had told her not to worry about. A bit of personal responsibility would go a bloody long way.

The point is that 50 Tories think a lottery - effectively encouraging those who compulsively gamble - for something as ridiculous as a royal yacht for the Queen is worth backing to the hilt, whilst much more deserving initiatives go largely ignored by these same people.

You have instead decided to make this a tirade against people moaning about the NHS which, whilst there, isn't the core point being made in any way.

 

[roydo]

The point is that 50 Tories think a lottery - effectively encouraging those who compulsively gamble - for something as ridiculous as a royal yacht for the Queen is worth backing to the hilt, whilst much more deserving initiatives go largely ignored by these same people.

You have instead decided to make this a tirade against people moaning about the NHS which, whilst there, isn't the core point being made in any way.

Guess its how you read things then, cos I ignored the Tories bit, and just thought that if enough people think a lottery specific to a Royal Yacht, or a Royal anything come to that, is seen as a half decent idea, some MPs are supporting them. But cos they are Tories, ergo, they are bad for doing it.

Better than us all paying for one, imo.

 

[Tubey]

Guess its how you read things then, cos I ignored the Tories bit, and just thought that if enough people think a lottery specific to a Royal Yacht, or a Royal anything come to that, is seen as a half decent idea, some MPs are supporting them. But cos they are Tories, ergo, they are bad for doing it.

Better than us all paying for one, imo.

It's better to have compulsive gamblers pay for one than the public as a whole? Or, better yet, private investment if it's so important for the rich elite for the royals to have a boat?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The point is that 50 Tories think a lottery - effectively encouraging those who compulsively gamble - for something as ridiculous as a royal yacht for the Queen is worth backing to the hilt, whilst much more deserving initiatives go largely ignored by these same people.

You have instead decided to make this a tirade against people moaning about the NHS which, whilst there, isn't the core point being made in any way.

It's an absurd idea without a doubt, but the reality is that it probably works because people love to say how great the NHS is without doing much about it. I dare say it'd be a rare thing for a politician to win an election by saying your taxes are going to go up to pay for the NHS, so instead we have them saying 'someone else's taxes are going to go up...'. We have people complaining about how underfunded the NHS is, yet hardly anyone voluntarily donates money to their local hospital/trust, despite all of them having facilities to enable that. They'll complain about the scandal of blocked wards and long waiting lists, all the while making lifestyle choices that cause that (and the vast majority of NHS spending is on chronic illnesses that are caused by lifestyle choices).

People want to have their cake and eat it at the same time, so yes, I'm much more interested in what people do than what they say, because words are incredibly cheap.

So you get garbage like this

Whilst at the same time both were involved in a scheme to dodge taxes that would have deprived the exchequer of roughly £700 million had they not been caught. But yeah, nice tweet, woopdedoo.

 

[Tubey]

It's an absurd idea without a doubt, but the reality is that it probably works because people love to say how great the NHS is without doing much about it. I dare say it'd be a rare thing for a politician to win an election by saying your taxes are going to go up to pay for the NHS, so instead we have them saying 'someone else's taxes are going to go up...'. We have people complaining about how underfunded the NHS is, yet hardly anyone voluntarily donates money to their local hospital/trust, despite all of them having facilities to enable that. They'll complain about the scandal of blocked wards and long waiting lists, all the while making lifestyle choices that cause that (and the vast majority of NHS spending is on chronic illnesses that are caused by lifestyle choices).

People want to have their cake and eat it at the same time, so yes, I'm much more interested in what people do than what they say, because words are incredibly cheap.

So you get garbage like this

Whilst at the same time both were involved in a scheme to dodge taxes that would have deprived the exchequer of roughly £700 million had they not been caught. But yeah, nice tweet, woopdedoo.

I'm honestly confused at this point... I honestly don't think that's the point being made at all yet you keep going on about it. Nobody is arguing with you.

In fact, I'm 100% sure that's not the point being made. The point being made is about elitism and the priorities of the rich in this stupid country.

 

[roydo]

Whilst at the same time both were involved in a scheme to dodge taxes that would have deprived the exchequer of roughly £700 million had they not been caught. But yeah, nice tweet, woopdedoo.

In a scheme set up by Blair/Brown, with then HMRC approval. The HMRC now has retrospective powers to unravel these now due to legislation introduced by Cameron. (might have been the coalition though).

 

[Walken]

I don't think so. I devote a lot of my working life to trying to make the NHS better. People tweeting stuff doesn't make a blind bit of difference. A colleague of my wives today (both nurses) was complaining about a bruised finger. She went to A&E. With a bruised finger. That her GP had told her not to worry about. A bit of personal responsibility would go a bloody long way.

Do you think ciggy companies should be allowed to advertise freely again?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Do you think ciggy companies should be allowed to advertise freely again?

Ostensibly, yes. I'm no fan of smoking, but it is a legal activity, so I disagree with restrictions placed on legal activities, but equally people should be aware that it is harming their health and take responsibility for that.

 

[Clint Planet]

This entire post is so way off the mark that you'd be forgiven for thinking it was a wind-up. Jesus.

You've sensationally missed the point there.

 

[Clint Planet]

Ostensibly, yes. I'm no fan of smoking, but it is a legal activity, so I disagree with restrictions placed on legal activities, but equally people should be aware that it is harming their health and take responsibility for that.

Do you think they're not aware?

 

[Walken]

Ostensibly, yes. I'm no fan of smoking, but it is a legal activity, so I disagree with restrictions placed on legal activities, but equally people should be aware that it is harming their health and take responsibility for that.

given you enough rope there I reckon, crack on

 

[Clint Planet]

(and as we all know, for every daft get bothering A&E with a bruised finger there's two daft old gets like my dad who wouldn't trouble the NHS if he had a leg hanging off him, gushing blood. It's essentially a straw man argument)

 

[roydo]

(and as we all know, for every daft get bothering A&E with a bruised finger there's two daft old gets like my dad who wouldn't trouble the NHS if he had a leg hanging off him, gushing blood. It's essentially a straw man argument)

Fair point that.

I can only speak from personal experience, and with both elderly parents/in laws needing pretty serious stuff this last 18 months or so, the treatment and speed of treatment has been world class.

Then my Missus comes home from work at a GP surgery with yet another long list of utter idiots demanding urgent birth control, (going on holiday and forgot) an appointment that fits round her kids party, (the kid is "ill" ffs), to name just 2.

Yummy Mummies is the description they give them. You know the sort.

 

[dublinbluenose]

This is what I've always imagined is the sort of agenda item that comes up at tory party meetings