I was certainly thinking that.
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I was certainly thinking that.
I was the person he had the argument with BTW
ijjysmith
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Southampton had a good team at the time.i think they finished 2nd in the league. I could be wrong though
we are defo a bunch of bottle jobs, is it all moyes influenced though?, I'm not old enough to remember the glory days in the 80's, under Royle apart from towards the end I actually always thought we would win, basically we were a bit tougher than most sides. There signs in berto's first season of all that fading, though more recently it feels like the moyes attitude again, especially in that last derby, will one cup win change all that, the score of this side though most playe under moyes doesn't have the moyes battle scars from falling at the last hurdle
hallamblue
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The manager has a lot to do with it. Joe Royle's teams were never scared of anyone, meanwhile Moyes was all about how amazingly well HE was doing with little old Everton, shopping at Aldi, taking a knife to a gunfight etc etc.
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AJC5
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That was a pretty average Utd team in that final Butt, Keane, Ince and Sharpe in midfield, McClair and Hughes up front. Our current squad would have won the league in 1995.
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Different era. There weren't any mega rich teams in the league in those days so all the teams were a lot closer in terms of wages and spending. The Utd team we beat wasn't that much more expensive than our own team. Blackburn one the league with a midfield of Batty, Sherwood, Ripley and Wilcox FFS.
In Moyes era we were massively out spent by the top 4 or 5.
Yeah it's unfair to compare Moyes and Royle's performances without also accounting for the differences between the two reigns.
For instance, Royle was a vastly better manager.
For instance, Royle was a vastly better manager.
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Royle did a great job for a few seasons don't get me wrong but he left no legacy. Moyes tenure was the best time to be an Everton fan since the eighties and he left the club in a vastly superior position to the one he inherited. We were in relegation battles most of the early 90's and early 2000's. Moyes re-established us as a respected top 6 team.
toffeejack
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yeah, well in @Allezfan, i do hate how any team who loses a big game or even just a game against worser opposition, gets labelled chockers or bottlers in this day and age.
Like you say, they have to be a team who constantly does it and are one of the best in the business.
i, along with a few others sense a turning of the guard, i think our players and managers have a new breed of confidence, differing from those of hibbert etc. who were out of their depth if we're being honest.
I suppose when fans talk about chocking in big games under moyes, it's more to do with the performance where we rarely turned up in those big games, like the FA Cup final. But we had no right to win that anyway, we were clear underdogs. The liverpool and uniited semis, i can see where people were coming from when they say we chocked because the performances were not very good at all. The wigan game was a bit of a bottlejob as well, but take nothing away from wigan and our current manager, they were great that day and just way better than us.
our derby record is shocking recently given the ability of our teams and the lack of quality in the liverpool teams, but i think choked is pushing it, just a line of bad performances and dodgy refereeing decisions. we go into the games with a hell of a lot against us, given their finances it should even be a contest anyway, if we're being honest.
anyway, let's hope that's all in the past. if we lose to city, it's because they're a much better team at the moment, but i bet the performance will be more purposeful.
Like you say, they have to be a team who constantly does it and are one of the best in the business.
i, along with a few others sense a turning of the guard, i think our players and managers have a new breed of confidence, differing from those of hibbert etc. who were out of their depth if we're being honest.
I suppose when fans talk about chocking in big games under moyes, it's more to do with the performance where we rarely turned up in those big games, like the FA Cup final. But we had no right to win that anyway, we were clear underdogs. The liverpool and uniited semis, i can see where people were coming from when they say we chocked because the performances were not very good at all. The wigan game was a bit of a bottlejob as well, but take nothing away from wigan and our current manager, they were great that day and just way better than us.
our derby record is shocking recently given the ability of our teams and the lack of quality in the liverpool teams, but i think choked is pushing it, just a line of bad performances and dodgy refereeing decisions. we go into the games with a hell of a lot against us, given their finances it should even be a contest anyway, if we're being honest.
anyway, let's hope that's all in the past. if we lose to city, it's because they're a much better team at the moment, but i bet the performance will be more purposeful.
toffeejack
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not sure many people will agree with that to be honest.
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What was his legacy as a manager?
Black Belt Jones
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Might not be the right choice of words - winning something is obv a legacy, but that team Joe left fell to bits in short order, to an almost fatal extent.
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