The C word

Saint Domingo · January 11, 2016

TippEverton said:
There was no wonder goal from Lampard, it should have been saved.

Yes, it should have been, but if I remember it was still from about 25 yards with his wrong foot.

Saint Domingo · January 11, 2016

If the Liverpool semi had been under Martinez we would have talked about individual errors rather than Moyes bottling it. Distin backpass, Coleman hack down, Fellaini out jumped by Carrol. If these players had kept concentration we come out with a 1-0. Front three that day was Osman Jelavic Gueye v Suarez and Carrol. Moyes' problem was that he raised expectations far beyond the ability of his squad. Yes we should have seen the game out but our team that day was not good enough to steamroll that Liverpool team for 90 mins. We came under pressure then some of our players made horrendous mistakes.

Allezfan · January 11, 2016

Saint Domingo said:
If the Liverpool semi had been under Martinez we would have talked about individual errors rather than Moyes bottling it. Distin backpass, Coleman hack down, Fellaini out jumped by Carrol. If these players had kept concentration we come out with a 1-0. Front three that day was Osman Jelavic Gueye v Suarez and Carrol. Moyes' problem was that he raised expectations far beyond the ability of his squad. Yes we should have seen the game out but our team that day was not good enough to steamroll that Liverpool team for 90 mins. We came under pressure then some of our players made horrendous mistakes.

Listen, mate I don't come into your house and sell your daughter crack and then pimp her out on the streets.

So don't you come into my beautiful thread and turn it into into moyes apologetica.

hallamblue · January 11, 2016

When we won our first trophy under Howard we played Southampton in the semi-final and then Watford in the final. What this team needs is something similar. Win the FA Cup beating Crystal Palace in the final, then get the confidence from winning a trophy to push on.

mitchell1996 · January 11, 2016

Saint Domingo said:
If the Liverpool semi had been under Martinez we would have talked about individual errors rather than Moyes bottling it. Distin backpass, Coleman hack down, Fellaini out jumped by Carrol. If these players had kept concentration we come out with a 1-0. Front three that day was Osman Jelavic Gueye v Suarez and Carrol. Moyes' problem was that he raised expectations far beyond the ability of his squad. Yes we should have seen the game out but our team that day was not good enough to steamroll that Liverpool team for 90 mins. We came under pressure then some of our players made horrendous mistakes.

agree with this, that team on paper was piss poor, the liverpool side was certainly nothing special but osman and gueye on the wing, and a past it tim cahill in midfield? we were sh*te

royalblue66 · January 11, 2016

Saint Domingo said:
If the Liverpool semi had been under Martinez we would have talked about individual errors rather than Moyes bottling it. Distin backpass, Coleman hack down, Fellaini out jumped by Carrol. If these players had kept concentration we come out with a 1-0. Front three that day was Osman Jelavic Gueye v Suarez and Carrol. Moyes' problem was that he raised expectations far beyond the ability of his squad. Yes we should have seen the game out but our team that day was not good enough to steamroll that Liverpool team for 90 mins. We came under pressure then some of our players made horrendous mistakes.

Everton that.

Allezfan · January 11, 2016

mitchell1996 said:
agree with this, that team on paper was piss poor, the liverpool side was certainly nothing special but osman and gueye on the wing, and a past it tim cahill in midfield? we were sh*te

That liverpool team had lost like their last 8 games.

Moyes losing us that was bloody unexcusable and you are not turning this thread into 'Moyes did nothing wrong' propaganda. Not on my watch.

mitchell1996 · January 11, 2016

Allezfan said:
That liverpool team had lost like their last 8 games.

Moyes losing us that was bloody unexcusable and you are not turning this thread into 'Moyes did nothing wrong' propaganda. Not on my watch.

think the first bit is a bit of an exaggeration, there is a difference between bottling a game and just being sh*te

Saint Domingo · January 11, 2016

Allezfan said:
Listen, mate I don't come into your house and sell your daughter crack and then pimp her out on the streets.

So don't you come into my beautiful thread and turn it into into moyes apologetica.

This whole thread is about teams not bottling games. I give an example of it and you don't like it because it's Moyes.

You either truly believe that we've not bottled games in the past because we were genuinely inferior or you're just getting some excuses in early if we don't beat City in the second leg.

For me I can only remember us bottling two big games in our recent history that was the Wigan QF and the home game v Palace. My definition would be that a choke is when you are the superior team but the pressure of success being within touching distance renders you unable to perform at all. Getting narrowly beaten by good sides regardless of what the managerial approach was is not bottling.

VentureBrosEFC · January 11, 2016

Allezfan said:
That liverpool team had lost like their last 8 games.

Moyes losing us that was bloody unexcusable and you are not turning this thread into 'Moyes did nothing wrong' propaganda. Not on my watch.

Sound the alarm!!!! Get davek in here!

Allezfan · January 11, 2016

Saint Domingo said:
This whole thread is about teams not bottling games. I give an example of it and you don't like it because it's Moyes.

You either truly believe that we've not bottled games in the past because we were genuinely inferior or you're just getting some excuses in early if we don't beat City in the second leg.

For me I can only remember us bottling two big games in our recent history that was the Wigan QF and the home game v Palace. My definition would be that a choke is when you are the superior team but the pressure of success being within touching distance renders you unable to perform at all. Getting narrowly beaten by good sides regardless of what the managerial approach was is not bottling.

My point is that over a 40 game seaosn we win a certain ammount of games and lose a certain ammount of games and I see no reason to think we are more likely to lose big games than small games.

We were appaling in that qf against wigan but we were appaling in a third round game against oldham and very good in qfs against sunderland and boro.

We were appalling in that game against palace but we were very good in the home games vs arsenal and utd on either side and appalling against west brom earlier on.

My point was not that it's somehow okay when we play really badly in important games, like that semi vs liverpool, it wasn't, it was inexcusable. But that that is no more likely to happen in a semi final than in any other game. We were god awful against liverpool in a lot of dead rubber league games to.

Foot Long Hot Dog · January 11, 2016

Saint Domingo said:
For me I can only remember us bottling two big games in our recent history that was the Wigan QF and the home game v Palace. My definition would be that a choke is when you are the superior team but the pressure of success being within touching distance renders you unable to perform at all. Getting narrowly beaten by good sides regardless of what the managerial approach was is not bottling.

This ^ is the answer.

The biggest bottling in this Century was that lot from across the park 2 seasons ago.

We've generally fallen short when faced with superior opponents.

Whatever happens at City won't be down to us bottling it, we'll either manage to hang on and see the job through, or they'll turn us over. Whichever, we won't have bottled it.