If it is all spent on "equivalence", where is the £350 million a week to fund the NHS instead of ending it to the EU?
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If it is all spent on "equivalence", where is the £350 million a week to fund the NHS instead of ending it to the EU?
If there is a clown in the room, it is not Bruce
Nobody? What is your evidence for that?
Every leave voter in here who says exactly that and every leave voter I hear on a phone in or on tv who says the same . It seems slightly mad to me that what’s considered one of the most successful political messages of recent times is dismissed by everyone who voted for it .
Someone I work with voted for brexit after seeing that mad bus message. The vote was a fine margin so could just have swung it if enough people did the same. I still kinda think the majority had their mind made up a while before that.
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Oh Bruce
Treasury figures from Budget confirm there was no £350m a week Brexit dividend
Brexit has in fact cost every person in the UK £1,200 so far, spending watchdog says – as economy flat-lineswww.independent.co.uk
@Old Blue 2
Few things to note from this:
I can't face palm as touching one's face is forbidden, but y'know.
- The Brexit bonus was, and always was, a complete con
- The government replacing various EU programmes is a clear sign that we actually got quite a lot from our membership
- And that's not including the fall in GDP
- That is partly due to lower immigration into Britain
Haven't I already warned you about believing everything you read in those papers of yours lol
I've just had a look through the OBR spring report, because unlike you I don't just accept that everything newspapers print are factually correct. All papers put their own spin on things depending on their politics and their agenda.
As regards the OBRs comments on Brexit regarding UK economic growth, what it said was that, in their opinion, we have lost 2% in growth since the referendum, almost 4 years ago now. That's just over 0.5% per annum, not 2% per annum as the article states. It went on to say that it expected a further 4% reduction in growth over the next 15 years too. Then it summarised, a total of 6% reduction over the 19 year period,a third of which has already happened, a further third over the period of this parliament, with the final third over the remaining period.
Barnfred 55
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Ha. My computer has gremilns mate. If you're wondering why my post was so brief it's because it posted itself before I had finished. So don't respond until you get my next post.Treasury figures from Budget confirm there was no £350m a week Brexit dividend
Brexit has in fact cost every person in the UK £1,200 so far, spending watchdog says – as economy flat-lines
@Old Blue 2
Few things to note from this:
I can't face palm as touching one's face is forbidden, but y'know.
- The Brexit bonus was, and always was, a complete con
- The government replacing various EU programmes is a clear sign that we actually got quite a lot from our membership
- And that's not including the fall in GDP
- That is partly due to lower immigration into Britain
Foot Long Hot Dog
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That’s either poor understand or a really crap attempt at semantics. The 2% p.a. is patently what has been lost as of now i.e. the economy is now 2% smaller annually than it would have been had we not voted for Brexit.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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Cummings openly stated that vote Leaves daily voting intention analysis, monitored right the way through the campaign period, moved decisively in Leaves favour after the NHS bus lie - he also admitted it was a number they used, knowing it was misleading. It was the decisive factor according to Cummings, but what does he know, he was only the head of the campaign
Entrenched Leave voters try and maintain it affected no one’s choice. As they lack the ability to understand that unlike them, many were undecided right up to the day of the vote, and were swayed one way or the other by the campaigns.
Barnfred 55
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Right. Now where was I.Treasury figures from Budget confirm there was no £350m a week Brexit dividend
Brexit has in fact cost every person in the UK £1,200 so far, spending watchdog says – as economy flat-lines
@Old Blue 2
Few things to note from this:
I can't face palm as touching one's face is forbidden, but y'know.
- The Brexit bonus was, and always was, a complete con
- The government replacing various EU programmes is a clear sign that we actually got quite a lot from our membership
- And that's not including the fall in GDP
- That is partly due to lower immigration into Britain
Oh yes. So the OBRs figures are a bit more realistic than that Bloomfield report that you posted a while back.
The Independent article also suggested that the loss of GDP meant every person in the UK has lost £1200. Well, even if the loss was £40bn as suggested, dividing that by 68m does not equate to £1200. Plus, wages are in fact just over 50% of GDP anyway, so in theory people are only losing out on half of that figure. Plus they assume that everybody will share in that economic growth. I think both you and I are cynical enough about this fat cat economy to know that isn't going to happen.
In their report, the OBR have stated they made a few assumptions. One is that the blue paper on immigration policy will become law, and there are a lot of Tory MPS who are fighting to get that changed as regards the low paid jobs, so the effect may not be as bad as they assume. Also they have not taken account of any new free trade deals the UK may potentially agree. So these could possibly (partially) compensate for being out of the EU.
As regards the £350m pw, there is absolutely nothing in the OBR report about this, so presumably it is just taken from the budget figures. It's already been accepted (well by me anyway) that the campaign bus headlines did not take account of our rebate, or our divorce fees, or indeed our costs in replacing the services we will lose when leaving the EU. The chancellors figures of circa £42bn over 5 years seems reasonable enough after taking account of our divorce settlement. But that is based on our historic EU contributions, the new 7 year budget is being set which will start next year. It was no secret that France. in particular, were determined that we would lose our rebate of about £3bn, plus it's highly likely that our full gross contributions would have seen a huge increase anyway had we still been members.
I've no idea where the Independent get's it's figures that most of the £42bn savings will go on replacing the EU services. It's interesting that they don't show any evidence of this. Even if we replaced the money we received from the CAP (£3bn pa) and RDG (£1.2bn pa) that only comes to £21bn over the next 5 years. I really can't see us spending the same amount again in replacing services lost when we leave. Yes, some new jobs will be created but at least these will be in the UK rather than in Brussels. Plus we are planning to substantially reduce the amount paid in subsidies under the CAP, which accounts for the vast majority of the £21m mentioned above. So no, before I take there assessment as gospel I'd like to see some evidence to back up their claims.
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Below is copy and pasted from the Independent article
"cost to the British economy of Brexit so far at around 2 per cent of GDP a year, or about £40 billion."
If they meant to say 2% of annual GDP, then that is extremely poorly written, especially for a journalist. Don't you think?
It costs us 2% of I million pounds equals it costs us £20,000.
It costs us 2% of 1 million pounds a year equals it costs us £20,000 a year.
Or it was when I went to school anyway. Maybe they teach a different type of English these days.
Still a lot of money to miss out on....
Foot Long Hot Dog
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It’s now costing us 2% PER YEAR.
So the economy is 2% SMALLER ANNUALLY than it would have been.
The loss of the 2% doesn’t suddenly disappear by magic at the end of the year, it continues to be the case in the following year...........
Maybe you skipped some maths lessons mate.
Barnfred 55
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Not arguing with that mate. Most of it is down to lack of investment due to uncertainty over what was happening. The last 3 and a half years have been a proper fluster cuck.
But right now I'm more frightened that this coronavirus is going to make it all seem like a pimple on yer arse.
and that’s very reasonable but it’s also a bit like not being worried about your heart condition , clinical obesity and diabetes because you’re diagnosed with cancer . It doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have eaten better , stopped smoking and exercised just because something else gets you in the end
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